Fake goods on eBay..plot twist I'm the seller!
Discussion
KevinCamaroSS said:
The main difference is that you queried the authenticity immediately, not nearly a year later.
Surely the delay actually makes it less likely to be a scam?If the purchaser was trying to scam, he/she would have filed a claim within 45 days which would be almost 100% guaranteed to be decided in their favour. Far easier.
boyse7en said:
KevinCamaroSS said:
The main difference is that you queried the authenticity immediately, not nearly a year later.
Surely the delay actually makes it less likely to be a scam?If the purchaser was trying to scam, he/she would have filed a claim within 45 days which would be almost 100% guaranteed to be decided in their favour. Far easier.
Whilst a few scammers are "one-off" chancers, most try scamming on a regular basis, so ebay would pick up on the same users or the same addresses being involved in recieving "fake" goods so often, leaving the scammer at risk of being investigated.
By waiting beyond the 45 day period, the scammers take ebay out of the equation as they are less likely to be interested after the 45 day period has passed and the scammer can deal with the seller directly.
Some questions for JQ:
1) Despite there being no supporting evidence presented to the OP so far, why are you so convinced that the coat in question must be fake?
2) Do you concede that there is a possibility that the OP is being scammed?
3) In the case of the coat in question, it appears that you think that, even after 11 months of use, the buyer should be entitled to all of their money back as they are now claiming the coat to be a fake, thus giving them a free coat for 11 months (and it seems the OP's buyer should also be trusted to destroy the alleged "fake" coat rather than have to return it to the OP! Sssyeah! - That's going to happen!
).So what period of time would you deem to be acceptable for a buyer to declare an item to be fake and claim all of their money back? A year?,two years?, five years?, 10 years?
4) Based on the above question, do you think that the OP should take legal action against the person who originally sold them the coat in question?
5) How did your legal action go with the guy who sold you the fake steering wheel?
(NOTE: Not OMP's legal action, but your own legal action - Based on what you're supporting in this case against the OP, I have to assume that you took legal action yourself against the steering wheel seller)
After 11 months the following comes to mind:
1) Has the buyer actually resold the item at all?
2) Is the same item that has been sold?
3) Is the second purchaser trying it on?
As it is running up to Christmas I think option 1 may apply in that it is possible the buyer is short of funds and thinks this could be a quick win.
1) Has the buyer actually resold the item at all?
2) Is the same item that has been sold?
3) Is the second purchaser trying it on?
As it is running up to Christmas I think option 1 may apply in that it is possible the buyer is short of funds and thinks this could be a quick win.
4rephill said:
boyse7en said:
KevinCamaroSS said:
The main difference is that you queried the authenticity immediately, not nearly a year later.
Surely the delay actually makes it less likely to be a scam?If the purchaser was trying to scam, he/she would have filed a claim within 45 days which would be almost 100% guaranteed to be decided in their favour. Far easier.
Whilst a few scammers are "one-off" chancers, most try scamming on a regular basis, so ebay would pick up on the same users or the same addresses being involved in recieving "fake" goods so often, leaving the scammer at risk of being investigated.
By waiting beyond the 45 day period, the scammers take ebay out of the equation as they are less likely to be interested after the 45 day period has passed and the scammer can deal with the seller directly.
Some questions for JQ:
1) Despite there being no supporting evidence presented to the OP so far, why are you so convinced that the coat in question must be fake?
2) Do you concede that there is a possibility that the OP is being scammed?
3) In the case of the coat in question, it appears that you think that, even after 11 months of use, the buyer should be entitled to all of their money back as they are now claiming the coat to be a fake, thus giving them a free coat for 11 months (and it seems the OP's buyer should also be trusted to destroy the alleged "fake" coat rather than have to return it to the OP! Sssyeah! - That's going to happen!
).So what period of time would you deem to be acceptable for a buyer to declare an item to be fake and claim all of their money back? A year?,two years?, five years?, 10 years?
4) Based on the above question, do you think that the OP should take legal action against the person who originally sold them the coat in question?
5) How did your legal action go with the guy who sold you the fake steering wheel?
(NOTE: Not OMP's legal action, but your own legal action - Based on what you're supporting in this case against the OP, I have to assume that you took legal action yourself against the steering wheel seller)
4rephill said:
Far easier to get caught scamming too!
Whilst a few scammers are "one-off" chancers, most try scamming on a regular basis, so ebay would pick up on the same users or the same addresses being involved in recieving "fake" goods so often, leaving the scammer at risk of being investigated.
By waiting beyond the 45 day period, the scammers take ebay out of the equation as they are less likely to be interested after the 45 day period has passed and the scammer can deal with the seller directly.
That would rely on the seller refund the buyer off their own backs though - quite a lot of hassle and I imagine a large % of sellers would tell the buyer to jog on, although presumably if the buyer was reselling everything outside of ebay it might be viable.Whilst a few scammers are "one-off" chancers, most try scamming on a regular basis, so ebay would pick up on the same users or the same addresses being involved in recieving "fake" goods so often, leaving the scammer at risk of being investigated.
By waiting beyond the 45 day period, the scammers take ebay out of the equation as they are less likely to be interested after the 45 day period has passed and the scammer can deal with the seller directly.
If they were filing chargebacks then PayPal would shut down their account very quickly, and from what I gather they are very hot at spotting people reopening accounts.
k OFF.cossy400 said:
Seriously, hes asked some valid questions and you come back with this??
School finished early this year...........
Fair enough, all I did was offer a contrary opinion and he/she went off the deep end. Just for you, I'll respond as best I can.School finished early this year...........
4rephill said:
Some questions for JQ:
1) Despite there being no supporting evidence presented to the OP so far, why are you so convinced that the coat in question must be fake?
Because it's my opinion that the majority of the 2,400 Canada Goose jackets currently for sale on Ebay are fakes. What evidence do you have that it's not a fake - perhaps a receipt from an authorised Canada Goose retailer?1) Despite there being no supporting evidence presented to the OP so far, why are you so convinced that the coat in question must be fake?
4rephill said:
2) Do you concede that there is a possibility that the OP is being scammed?
Definitely possible, but as I stated earlier it would have been far far easier to scam him/her in the first 45 days where Ebay are super keen to refund buyers.
4rephill said:
3) In the case of the coat in question, it appears that you think that, even after 11 months of use, the buyer should be entitled to all of their money back as they are now claiming the coat to be a fake, thus giving them a free coat for 11 months (and it seems the OP's buyer should also be trusted to destroy the alleged "fake" coat rather than have to return it to the OP! Sssyeah! - That's going to happen! ).
So what period of time would you deem to be acceptable for a buyer to declare an item to be fake and claim all of their money back? A year?,two years?, five years?, 10 years?
That's not for me to decide, The Limitations Act 1980 states you have 6 years to bring a claim, who are we to argue with an Act of Parliament. ).So what period of time would you deem to be acceptable for a buyer to declare an item to be fake and claim all of their money back? A year?,two years?, five years?, 10 years?
4rephill said:
4) Based on the above question, do you think that the OP should take legal action against the person who originally sold them the coat in question?
It depends on whether he/she ends up suffering a loss.4rephill said:
5) How did your legal action go with the guy who sold you the fake steering wheel?
(NOTE: Not OMP's legal action, but your own legal action - Based on what you're supporting in this case against the OP, I have to assume that you took legal action yourself against the steering wheel seller)
Why would I, I suffered no loss.(NOTE: Not OMP's legal action, but your own legal action - Based on what you're supporting in this case against the OP, I have to assume that you took legal action yourself against the steering wheel seller)
JQ said:
InitialDave said:
By "confirmation from Canada Goose", I am assuming this means "Looked at the counterfeit page on their website and made my own decision".
I'm with the "sod off" side.
Not necessarily, I bought a fake OMP steering wheel. When it arrived I had my concerns and after a conversation with the UK distribution arm of OMP I sent the wheel to them. They confirmed it was fake, sold me a genuine one at cost and started legal proceedings against the guy selling them - he was selling lots of them. I'm with the "sod off" side.
It really wouldn't be very difficult to go to a UK Canada Goose stockist and ask them to check. I suspect they're very keen to get as many fakes off the streets as possible.
I'm slightly surprised at the response on here - there's a high degree of probability that the OP has sold a fake to someone, most of those on Ebay are. Just because it's taken them a while to find out doesn't mean they've not been stiffed by the OP. Fair enough, the OP didn't know it was fake, but lets be honest what percentage of BNWT GC jackets sold on Ebay are genuine?
If it was a scam the buyer would have made the claim within 45 days when they had protection - for fakes Ebay immediately refund the buyer and tell them to destroy the item and not return it to the seller. A far simpler process for a scammer.
He had a problem with them and suspected their authenticity so sent them to the manufacture for a repair with a covering letter and they said they were fake so sent him a bramd new set for free.
Ramona said:
Joeguard1990 said:
Ignore all contact.
There is nothing that can be done even if they file a complaint as it is now past the 6 month rule.
That's only for claiming through PayPal. There's nothing to prevent the current owner of the coat from taking the OP to the Small Claims Court.There is nothing that can be done even if they file a complaint as it is now past the 6 month rule.
JQ said:
for fakes Ebay immediately refund the buyer and tell them to destroy the item and not return it to the seller. A far simpler process for a scammer.
I don't think this is eBay's policy in the UK. It's almost always "return for a full refund" with postage being paid by whomever the buyer says should pay for it.7db said:
JQ said:
for fakes Ebay immediately refund the buyer and tell them to destroy the item and not return it to the seller. A far simpler process for a scammer.
I don't think this is eBay's policy in the UK. It's almost always "return for a full refund" with postage being paid by whomever the buyer says should pay for it.The issue for the OP is that ebay are a law unto themselves and don't even follow their own procedures if they can't be arsed.... I sold some boots (bnib) which the buyer claimed were fake...... I had letters from the supplier to me and from the manufacturer saying they were genuine boots but ebay refunded the buyer... When i got the boots back theyd'd clearly been worn quite a bit and couldn't be sold as new... Ebay said tough luck.
Eventually after my issue was featured in the sunday time money section ebay "made a gesture of goodwill" and gave me back the refund.
Eventually after my issue was featured in the sunday time money section ebay "made a gesture of goodwill" and gave me back the refund.
Eleven months is a long time, they must be on the extreme end of the bin dipping scale to even give it more than a fleeting thought. Even if it was store bought they would be equally told to Foxtrot Oscar. I would cease all contact having made sure their sense of entitlement has been thoroughly and positively offended. Plicks like these really are worth less than the canine faecal matter that I left smeared on a kerb's edge last week..
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