Speed Awareness Courses - Do they work?
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cmaguire said:
I don't know how we managed pre-1992 before all this cr@p kicked off. It must have been hell.
If only I had a time machine.
It was. 1990 5,217 dead....2015 1,732If only I had a time machine.
Not entirely happy days but certainly happier days.
Maybe if there wasn't so many driving gods around who think traffic regulations are optional the total would be even less. Hey-Ho.
drf765 said:
It was. 1990 5,217 dead....2015 1,732
Not entirely happy days but certainly happier days.
Maybe if there wasn't so many driving gods around who think traffic regulations are optional the total would be even less. Hey-Ho.
I'll take the 5200. I won't be one of them or responsible for any of them. But it wouldn't be 5200 now would it? And speed won't be responsible for many of them either will it, 1992 or 2016?Not entirely happy days but certainly happier days.
Maybe if there wasn't so many driving gods around who think traffic regulations are optional the total would be even less. Hey-Ho.
Do you think car safety might have more to do with it perhaps? Keep it quiet though, we've got a good thing going here.
Digby said:
vonhosen said:
How much on road CPC do you book as a percentage of your CPC?
0%?
No driving required. Perhaps that's reserved for the Platinum wheel turning edition? We have seperate people who come and assess.0%?
Like the fortunes they spent on having us taught how to save fuel by smoother driving etc.....in autmomatic vehicles.
You may aswell just throw a few millon down the drain.
And even though it exists people choose instead to buy the stuff you are complaining about because it's cheaper, rather than spending more on what would be more useful/worthwhile on road training.
You're complaining about the quality & worthwhileness of the training you are getting, but it's you that's purchasing crap because it's cheap instead of buying quality CPC training.
vonhosen said:
I know it's not required, but it exists.
And even though it exists people choose instead to buy the stuff you are complaining about because it's cheaper, rather than spending more on what would be more useful/worthwhile on road training.
You're complaining about the quality & worthwhileness of the training you are getting, but it's you that's purchasing crap because it's cheap instead of buying quality CPC training.
And even though it exists people choose instead to buy the stuff you are complaining about because it's cheaper, rather than spending more on what would be more useful/worthwhile on road training.
You're complaining about the quality & worthwhileness of the training you are getting, but it's you that's purchasing crap because it's cheap instead of buying quality CPC training.
So you agree with me that it's crap. That's a first!
This is, however, still something required by law for you to be able to drive, so why is it so pointless? Why is there even an option of 'required by law' good and bad training? Do they not care so long as they get paid?
Not heard of any onroad CPC. Got any links?
cmaguire said:
drf765 said:
It was. 1990 5,217 dead....2015 1,732
Not entirely happy days but certainly happier days.
Maybe if there wasn't so many driving gods around who think traffic regulations are optional the total would be even less. Hey-Ho.
I'll take the 5200. I won't be one of them or responsible for any of them. But it wouldn't be 5200 now would it? And speed won't be responsible for many of them either will it, 1992 or 2016?Not entirely happy days but certainly happier days.
Maybe if there wasn't so many driving gods around who think traffic regulations are optional the total would be even less. Hey-Ho.
Do you think car safety might have more to do with it perhaps? Keep it quiet though, we've got a good thing going here.
funkyrobot said:
vonhosen said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
vonhosen said:
Fed & thriving mainly from the contributions of plums.
Thats a bit harsh, refering to people who break the speed limit by a relatively small margin as 'plums'
vonhosen said:
I know it's not required, but it exists.
And even though it exists people choose instead to buy the stuff you are complaining about because it's cheaper, rather than spending more on what would be more useful/worthwhile on road training.
You're complaining about the quality & worthwhileness of the training you are getting, but it's you that's purchasing crap because it's cheap instead of buying quality CPC training.
Lets have you put your mouth on line- how MUCH SAFER would our roads be if we had DEDICATED (not for profit) traffic police doing reactive Roads policing- i.e- out on the roads , EDUCATING & where necessary ticketing driving standards. And even though it exists people choose instead to buy the stuff you are complaining about because it's cheaper, rather than spending more on what would be more useful/worthwhile on road training.
You're complaining about the quality & worthwhileness of the training you are getting, but it's you that's purchasing crap because it's cheap instead of buying quality CPC training.
Especially with new/young drivers- advise them on the spot( with video evidence ) of their failings.
Centurion07 said:
Pothole said:
Who do you propose administers these tests and collects the money?
What's to administer?You get handed a question sheet at the start, it gets marked. You get the same one at the end, you pass or fail. Minimal admin needed.
Who me said:
vonhosen said:
I know it's not required, but it exists.
And even though it exists people choose instead to buy the stuff you are complaining about because it's cheaper, rather than spending more on what would be more useful/worthwhile on road training.
You're complaining about the quality & worthwhileness of the training you are getting, but it's you that's purchasing crap because it's cheap instead of buying quality CPC training.
Lets have you put your mouth on line- how MUCH SAFER would our roads be if we had DEDICATED (not for profit) traffic police doing reactive Roads policing- i.e- out on the roads , EDUCATING & where necessary ticketing driving standards. And even though it exists people choose instead to buy the stuff you are complaining about because it's cheaper, rather than spending more on what would be more useful/worthwhile on road training.
You're complaining about the quality & worthwhileness of the training you are getting, but it's you that's purchasing crap because it's cheap instead of buying quality CPC training.
Especially with new/young drivers- advise them on the spot( with video evidence ) of their failings.
You'd have to do a controlled measured test over some time.
Traffic Police aren't trained educators though, they are investigators/reporters.
Your trial isn't going to happen without a truck load of money to finance it &/or a massive change in Policing priorities. Traffic Officers are seen as a luxury item & times are hard.
You have dedicated not for profit traffic Police, it's just they are a very limited resource & spend their time investigating fatality collisions etc & denying criminals use of the roads.
Most vehicle stops were done by routine (non-traffic) patrol vehicles as they far outnumber traffic cars. Only they are now chasing their backsides reporting/dealing with low level crime, missing vulnerable youngster & dealing with mental health issues, so they aren't stopping the drivers they used to either.
What's that got to do with CPC training? (what you've quoted from me above)
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 8th December 00:03
Truffs said:
funkyrobot said:
vonhosen said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
vonhosen said:
Fed & thriving mainly from the contributions of plums.
Thats a bit harsh, refering to people who break the speed limit by a relatively small margin as 'plums'Said Oracular Tome said:
Plumb
A simpleton, dunce or idiot. Sometimes used in London.
"Eric's just fallen down the stairs... what a plumb!"
A simpleton, dunce or idiot. Sometimes used in London.
"Eric's just fallen down the stairs... what a plumb!"
drf765 said:
cmaguire said:
I don't know how we managed pre-1992 before all this cr@p kicked off. It must have been hell.
If only I had a time machine.
It was. 1990 5,217 dead....2015 1,732If only I had a time machine.
Not entirely happy days but certainly happier days.
Maybe if there wasn't so many driving gods around who think traffic regulations are optional the total would be even less. Hey-Ho.
cmaguire said:
I'll take the 5200. I won't be one of them or responsible for any of them.
This is a refreshingly honest comment.You are happy with that number af fatalities because you don't think you'd be one if them.
So as long as you're ok...
You also can't say that you wouldn't be one of them with any degree of certainty. Plenty of people have a misguided confidence in their own driving ability.
Guybrush said:
It's because cars are much safer now, even though there're faster and many more of them..over 310 billion miles a year travelled in the UK and a high percentage exceeding stupidly low speed limits on a daily basis. Unless the figures are lower because there a far fewer police on the roads.
Safer cars is just one factor. You can't say for certain how much of the reduction in fatalities is down to that. Gavia said:
vonhosen said:
The Mad Monk said:
Therefore those drivers exceeding the speed limit by more than 10% have a good chance of being reported.
You've got to be kidding!!My 'guesstimate' may, of course. be equally inaccurate.
Devil2575 said:
This is a refreshingly honest comment.
You are happy with that number af fatalities because you don't think you'd be one if them.
So as long as you're ok...
You also can't say that you wouldn't be one of them with any degree of certainty. Plenty of people have a misguided confidence in their own driving ability.
As has been said, deaths are not restricted to those within a vehicle so my own driving ability is not the only consideration. You are happy with that number af fatalities because you don't think you'd be one if them.
So as long as you're ok...
You also can't say that you wouldn't be one of them with any degree of certainty. Plenty of people have a misguided confidence in their own driving ability.
We are currently way into the bounds of diminishing returns now, where the inconvenience and cost of this nonsense far outways the supposed gains, certainly so if safety is the primary concern (which it isn't obviously).
As far as cameras go, dump all of them and chances are the effect on road deaths would be nominal anyway, particularly on Motorways.
I'd take 2000-2500 deaths over what we have now to get rid of all the current cr@p, which is probably a realistic number of deaths if we did. Cameras are only part of that cr@p.
Road narrowing, speed bumps, limit changes, multiple occupancy lanes, certain bus lanes/stops, excess road furniture................etc.
) but don't you think it's possible that you might be killed by someone else's stupidity?
vonhosen said:
It's not about us as individuals, it's one size for all.
Good... so let us see driving with fog lights on 24/7 prosecuted to the same extent as speeding - when I am cycling home in the dark it is more dangerous than drivers exceeding the speed limit, as the extra dazzle removes my ability to see the cycle path margins!How about dodgy number plates? They are easy to spot and trace.
Missing headlights?
Careless driving?
Nobody is keen to see ANY of those offences addressed, as there is no money in it for the authorities.
Better to simply set up a camera on a section of road where drivers routinely stray over the speed limit, and penalise them while the majority of dangerous practice on the roads remains, and continues to lead to accidents and resulting injuries, fatalities and hold ups on our roads.
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