A query on work & parking

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750turbo

6,164 posts

223 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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The Surveyor said:
singlecoil said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Stuff
Can't be bothered. Have it your own way.
I know it shouldn't but that made me laugh....
Me too.

To be honest whenever the aforementioned "know it all" posts, I almost immediately switch off - It must be fabulous knowung everything about fking everything!

(I do not need to as I am married smile )

blank

3,439 posts

187 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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If I remember rightly, when this first started at JLR, people had laptops and the buses had WiFi. They would "clock in" when they got on the bus in the morning.

Not sure if it was technically allowed but people certainly did it!

Sebring440

1,926 posts

95 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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750turbo said:
The Surveyor said:
singlecoil said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Stuff
Can't be bothered. Have it your own way.
I know it shouldn't but that made me laugh....
Me too.

To be honest whenever the aforementioned "know it all" posts, I almost immediately switch off - It must be fabulous knowung everything about fking everything!

(I do not need to as I am married smile )
The great irony in this, is that singlecoil has being doing this for so much longer than TooMany2cvs !

Either of them could start an argument in an empty room.

TooMany2cvs could do well to learn a few pointers from singlecoil in how to be superior, aloof and alienate and insult as many PH members as possible in the shortest period of time.



singlecoil

33,313 posts

245 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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Another banned poster returns smile

Red Devil

13,055 posts

207 months

Thursday 8th December 2016
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Sebring440 said:
750turbo said:
The Surveyor said:
singlecoil said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Stuff
Can't be bothered. Have it your own way.
I know it shouldn't but that made me laugh....
Me too.

To be honest whenever the aforementioned "know it all" posts, I almost immediately switch off - It must be fabulous knowung everything about fking everything!

(I do not need to as I am married smile )
The great irony in this, is that singlecoil has being doing this for so much longer than TooMany2cvs !

Either of them could start an argument in an empty room.
Here they are together in the same one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvcnx6-0GhA - wink


Andehh

Original Poster:

7,107 posts

205 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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Said company is big with say 500-1000 people effected by this, it is fairly close to a city centre - close enough to not have on street parking sufficiently near by but not so close that the bus depot is next door.

As I said, not me affected, but one I am curious about as to where the middle ground of fair/reasonable/legal is and how far a company could push it with changing the default working practises that had been in place for ?years ?months.




Edited by Andehh on Friday 9th December 08:31

singlecoil

33,313 posts

245 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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I think the employee's best bet would be to continue to work there, using the P&R, until such time as they can find a better job. Another employer would fully understand the perfectly valid reasons for wanting to change jobs.

I very much doubt there would be any recourse against the existing employers.

Bill

52,481 posts

254 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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Nigel_O said:
If I was forced into parking sufficiently far away to need a Park & Ride for 45 minutes at the beginning and end of each day, I'd find a new job.

The employer is probably doing nothing illegal, as the provision of parking probably wasn't contractual, so there's unlikely to be a breach

Probably not much the OP can do, other than put up and shut up, or leave
This. Presumably the alternative was to move office to a bigger site with parking, and that could have been a longer commute as well.

I expect recruitment/retention and clock watching will become an issue though.

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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Andehh said:
I post out of curiosity more then anything, as I have heard through the grape vine this situation exists at a local-ish (major) company.

Say your place of work decide to build additional offices on the work carpark, to expand. They put in place a park & ride scheme that now takes 30mins+ to get onto & off site.

You now need to get up 45 mins early (gotta wait for the bus...) & get home 45 mins later due to your place of work making the decision to sacrifice employee's time over their expansion.

Where would the law stand? Are there any limitations on situations like this regarding whats ''reasonable''?
No limitations. Based on what you say it's perfectly reasonable. It was a non-contractual benefit that's been removed for operational reasons.

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39,690 posts

195 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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Bill said:
I expect recruitment/retention and clock watching will become an issue though.
yep. In practice what will happen is the employees for whom it is a real PITA will leave and they will be replaced by Employees who don't need parking OR who never had it in the first place and will accept the status quo.

tigger1

8,402 posts

220 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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Out of interest, which town or city? 45 minutes seems a long bus ride into a town centre.

I'd be investigating cycling or just using public transport anyway, is that an option.

As for the original question, I think legally the rule of "tough-tits" will have to be applied. There's no right to free parking at work, some folk are lucky, some aren't (I'm lucky that it's free, but unlucky because there's not enough spaces - so I often have to walk the last mile into the office).

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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Isn't this where a trade union would come in handy?

vxr8mate

1,654 posts

188 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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The Spruce goose said:
Isn't this where a trade union would come in handy?
Seriously? 'Trade union'....tell me you're joking.

Can't believe there's a thread this long about park and ride at work.

If you don't like it, get another job, it really is that simple.

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

175 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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Does your contract provide parking, if yes then take action.

If not then its up to you to get to work and it seems they are being nice putting a P&R together.

How close can you park, could you get a fold up bike chuck it in the car and cycle the rest, may take less time than P&R.

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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vxr8mate said:
The Spruce goose said:
Isn't this where a trade union would come in handy?
Seriously? 'Trade union'....tell me you're joking.

Can't believe there's a thread this long about park and ride at work.

If you don't like it, get another job, it really is that simple.
Depends on how you look at it. This is likely to annoy staff, increase turnover, increase disengagement, stuff which the company would probably try to avoid if it could. The union can provide a single voice and negotiate on behalf of the workers. There might be some kind of compromise. Even if there isn't, a willingness to negotiate is always a good thing. Why pee off your workers unnecessarily?

CAPP0

19,533 posts

202 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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For context, our office is relocating after Xmas, and for a good number of people (including me) it will add a fair chunk of time to the journey, as it's much further into central London than at present.

I'm not anticipating a reduction in weekly working hours though.

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

175 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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CAPP0 said:
For context, our office is relocating after Xmas, and for a good number of people (including me) it will add a fair chunk of time to the journey, as it's much further into central London than at present.

I'm not anticipating a reduction in weekly working hours though.
Whenever they relocate us we will get any difference in mileage paid back, parking only provided if you had it in the old location. We get nothing for the extra time spent on the road or on public transport.

vxr8mate

1,654 posts

188 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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Countdown said:
vxr8mate said:
The Spruce goose said:
Isn't this where a trade union would come in handy?
Seriously? 'Trade union'....tell me you're joking.

Can't believe there's a thread this long about park and ride at work.

If you don't like it, get another job, it really is that simple.
Depends on how you look at it. This is likely to annoy staff, increase turnover, increase disengagement, stuff which the company would probably try to avoid if it could. The union can provide a single voice and negotiate on behalf of the workers. There might be some kind of compromise. Even if there isn't, a willingness to negotiate is always a good thing. Why pee off your workers unnecessarily?
I doubt it an 'unnecessary' move. Businesses generally don't do things without purpose.

Trouble with a union is it's often not the 'single' voice as with a group of workers there's generally more than one opinion, which the union often forgets.

Devil2575

13,400 posts

187 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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vxr8mate said:
I doubt it an 'unnecessary' move. Businesses generally don't do things without purpose.
Yes but sometimes they make decisions for seemingly good reasons without fully understanding the potential consequences.

A poorly managed staff reorganisation/reduction exercise where I work resulted in a lot of very good people leaving of their own accord. This was good because the company had to make very few people redundant but it was also very bad becuase the company lost a lot of it's high performing very experienced staff.

The people left, not because they were worried about their jobs, but because they were pissed off and decided to just have a look. When they looked the realised they could do at least as good or in many cases better elsewhere so cleared off.

In these situations a lot of it comes down to how it is handled and whether your employees have options or not.

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

175 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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Devil2575 said:
vxr8mate said:
I doubt it an 'unnecessary' move. Businesses generally don't do things without purpose.
Yes but sometimes they make decisions for seemingly good reasons without fully understanding the potential consequences.

A poorly managed staff reorganisation/reduction exercise where I work resulted in a lot of very good people leaving of their own accord. This was good because the company had to make very few people redundant but it was also very bad becuase the company lost a lot of it's high performing very experienced staff.

The people left, not because they were worried about their jobs, but because they were pissed off and decided to just have a look. When they looked the realised they could do at least as good or in many cases better elsewhere so cleared off.

In these situations a lot of it comes down to how it is handled and whether your employees have options or not.
Very true seen it all before, twice to be honest. Management think know best only until their left with no staff or staff who cant do the job.