Crash barrier (Armco) garden fence?

[pingu393]

Those gambion cages look like a bargain compared to armco.

How much would the stones to fill them cost? A darn site cheaper than the installation of the armco, I'd suggest.

[CoolC]

https://goo.gl/maps/h2Mx9Qk4p2p

This house used to regularly have cars in the garden, until they built this mound/wall.

Not sure if you have the space, and no idea of cost, but worth a thought.

[pingu393]

CoolC said:

https://goo.gl/maps/h2Mx9Qk4p2p

This house used to regularly have cars in the garden, until they built this mound/wall.

Not sure if you have the space, and no idea of cost, but worth a thought.

Looks like a take-off ramp

[GSalt]

Liquid Knight said:

Since the A17 from Sutton Bridge to King's Lynn has had average speed cameras the number of collisions in my village has gone up from a couple a year to sixteen since the cameras were installed (in April).

I live in the area, so can guess which road you might be on.. I can't imagine the drivers are avoiding the A17 on the basis of wanting to speed, the alternatives are all slower. So are they avoiding the cameras for fear of ANPR/driver identification because they're intoxicated?

[Aeroresh]

Im guessing you live on a road where the speed limit is more than 40mph? In which case you have limited options in what you can do on the boundary...obviously within your own curtailage you can do what you want within planning regs but as far as the highway boundary goes, you cant just go installing a non-compliant vehicle restraint system. For info, a proper "crash barrier" will cost you in the region of £2000/m for a minimum length of 30m so unlikely to be cost effective.

You'll not be permitted to install gabions or any other non passive structure without suitable protection either.

Suggest you speak with the local highway authority as to what your best options are.

[Chainsaw Rebuild]

I can of course see how people crashing into your property is a complete pain. However how are you going to feel when the next crash happens and you are responsible for their injuries being worse? Imagine if someone, perhaps an innocent passenger, was killed.

Could you plant a sturdy hedge to help "catch" the car and dissipate the energy?

[dudleybloke]

Dig a moat.

[227bhp]

I was thinking gabions would be too wide, but you can get slim ones too, link here:

https://www.manomano.co.uk/stone-fence-2508?model_...

Dig a trench perhaps a foot deep to bed them into, maybe grow some ivy over them for a bit of colour.

Recent story here:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1169582/pen...

[Osinjak]

Chainsaw Rebuild said:

I can of course see how people crashing into your property is a complete pain. However how are you going to feel when the next crash happens and you are responsible for their injuries being worse? Imagine if someone, perhaps an innocent passenger, was killed.

Could you plant a sturdy hedge to help "catch" the car and dissipate the energy?

There's always one. Frankly I'd feel bugger all, I'm not responsible for other people's utter stupidity.

[Galveston]

Aeroresh said:

Im guessing you live on a road where the speed limit is more than 40mph? In which case you have limited options in what you can do on the boundary...obviously within your own curtailage you can do what you want within planning regs but as far as the highway boundary goes, you cant just go installing a non-compliant vehicle restraint system. For info, a proper "crash barrier" will cost you in the region of £2000/m for a minimum length of 30m so unlikely to be cost effective.

You'll not be permitted to install gabions or any other non passive structure without suitable protection either.

Suggest you speak with the local highway authority as to what your best options are.

Within the highway that would be the case, you can't go sticking solid objects at the side of high speed roads without protecting them with barriers or making them passively safe. But surely that doesn't apply on/outside the highway boundary?

[akirk]

Building something like those described above specifically with the intent of making it challenging for out of control drivers, could land you with a manslaughter charge or more if someone dies...

How about a gravel trap...?

Best suggestion above is a moat, stick sharks in it...

[Liquid Knight]

A few things to address.

1/ I live on a 30 zone road. (Some days I wonder)

2/ Manslaughter would be the responsibility of the vehicle operator alone. I have often suggested Causing Death by Dangerous/Careless/Drink/Drug Driving should be Manslaughter on the grounds that if I were Dangerous/Careless/Drunk/Drugged and "accidentally" killed someone with my shotgun it would be Manslaughter and a car is just as capable a weapon in the wrong hands.

3/ The previous drunkards and speeders have been mostly locals so intoxicated or not they will know there is a crash barrier there and in theory at least back off.

4/ There isn't enough run off for a gravel trap.

5/ The Council have got back to me. No I don't need planning permission but it would be advisable to consult my neighbors to gauge their opinions.




I like the Pensioners idea. Maybe some steel reinforced brick posts with metal I beams going between them could be as effective and aesthetic.

[Monkeylegend]

A row of trampolines embedded on their side with industrial strength rubber should do it.

Edited by Monkeylegend on Saturday 10th December 14:05

[All that jazz]

Liquid Knight said:

Since the A17 from Sutton Bridge to King's Lynn has had average speed cameras the number of collisions in my village has gone up from a couple a year to sixteen since the cameras were installed (in April).

I travel that stretch of road several times per week and there are no villages or houses along there so I'm not understanding whatever the point is you're trying to make about the speed cameras.

[Liquid Knight]

All that jazz said:

Liquid Knight said:

Since the A17 from Sutton Bridge to King's Lynn has had average speed cameras the number of collisions in my village has gone up from a couple a year to sixteen since the cameras were installed (in April).

I travel that stretch of road several times per week and there are no villages or houses along there so I'm not understanding whatever the point is you're trying to make about the speed cameras.

The A17 follows the old railway line that Dr Beeching closed in the 60's and has average speed cameras along it thanks to idiots like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRsp0nrv_w0

...if you turn off the A17 left at that traffic island (you need to be on the correct side of the road to do that) it takes you along the old A17 through the villages of Warpole Cross Keys, Terrington St Clement and Clenchwarton. That is the route those who want to avoid the average speed cameras take.

Edited to add the Collision map. Small red dots for single collisions, bigger red dots for multiple collisions or multi-vehicle collision.

Thanks to Google map and MS Paint all rights reserved.

Edited by Liquid Knight on Saturday 10th December 14:31

[Liquid Knight]

GSalt said:

Liquid Knight said:

Since the A17 from Sutton Bridge to King's Lynn has had average speed cameras the number of collisions in my village has gone up from a couple a year to sixteen since the cameras were installed (in April).

I live in the area, so can guess which road you might be on.. I can't imagine the drivers are avoiding the A17 on the basis of wanting to speed, the alternatives are all slower. So are they avoiding the cameras for fear of ANPR/driver identification because they're intoxicated?

The A17 is usually slow anyway due to agriculture and HGV traffic. Being a busy stretch it's near impossible to overtake at times.

The speed cameras were in response to a few collisions and the fatal collision at the end of station road. All due to drivers not having headlights on in low light conditions and nothing what so ever to do with the speed they were going.

[All that jazz]

Liquid Knight said:

Stuff

Yes, I'm aware of the old road through the villages but what's that got to do with the increase in accidents since the cameras were installed? Given the 30 and 40 limits along Sutton Rd/Lynn Rd through the villages there's no way anyone would choose that route to make faster progress than just staying on the A17 so your argument makes no sense.

[Liquid Knight]

All that jazz said:

Liquid Knight said:

Stuff

Yes, I'm aware of the old road through the villages but what's that got to do with the increase in accidents since the cameras were installed? Given the 30 and 40 limits along Sutton Rd/Lynn Rd through the villages there's no way anyone would choose that route to make faster progress than just staying on the A17 so your argument makes no sense.

I agree it doesn't make sense at all.

People who want to avoid speed cameras and drive beyond the posted speed limit through the villages instead aren't exactly going to win Mastermind are they? Making sense isn't something you would expect from them is it?

Coincidentally three of the vehicles that have crashed were Nissan Qashqai and two were Vauxhall Agilas. We're not dealing with the cream of the crop here.

Back on topic I have spoken to one of my neighbors and he likes the idea.

[motco]

This farmhouse is on a temptingly oblique fast downhill bend on a country road. The Armco is a matter of self-defence (geddit?)

Wigans Lane

As an update, the Armco is now completely hidden by a privet hedge. Nasty surprise if you do lose it on the corner!

Edited by motco on Saturday 10th December 16:41

[All that jazz]

How much space do you have between the council owned bits and your border? What about those cages of stones they use to prop up steep slopes to prevent landslides? A line of those would stop a car coming any further unless they managed to get airborne going over the kerb. No idea where you get them from though - internet researching required.