Crash barrier (Armco) garden fence?

[Liquid Knight]

motco said:

This farmhouse is on a temptingly oblique fast downhill bend on a country road. The Armco is a matter of self-defence (geddit?)

Wigans Lane

Love the Multipla crossing the centre. Racing line, pedestrian pace.

[motco]

Liquid Knight said:

motco said:

This farmhouse is on a temptingly oblique fast downhill bend on a country road. The Armco is a matter of self-defence (geddit?)

Wigans Lane

Love the Multipla crossing the centre. Racing line, pedestrian pace.

[cptsideways]

Some friends of ours with a similar issue have just installed railway sleepers to replace their holy hedge, it looks just like a fence tbh

Relatively cheap, easy enough to make crash proof & they look OK if done right.

[Osinjak]

akirk said:

Building something like those described above specifically with the intent of making it challenging for out of control drivers, could land you with a manslaughter charge or more if someone dies...

No it couldn't, you just made that up. OP is not intending to make it difficult for anyone, he's protecting his stuff from slackjawed morons who are incapable of making rational decisions regarding their suitability and ability to drive.

[All that jazz]

All that jazz said:

How much space do you have between the council owned bits and your border? What about those cages of stones they use to prop up steep slopes to prevent landslides? A line of those would stop a car coming any further unless they managed to get airborne going over the kerb. No idea where you get them from though - internet researching required.

Here : https://www.gabionbaskets.co.uk/



No car is gonna be coming through that.

Edited by All that jazz on Saturday 10th December 15:58

[All that jazz]

On a separate note.. https://www.gabionbaskets.co.uk/blog/item/test-ent.... That's pretty ingenious! I wish I'd thought of that before I spent a small fortune landscaping the garden at my old house so I can install a driveway.

[Monkeylegend]

All that jazz said:

All that jazz said:

How much space do you have between the council owned bits and your border? What about those cages of stones they use to prop up steep slopes to prevent landslides? A line of those would stop a car coming any further unless they managed to get airborne going over the kerb. No idea where you get them from though - internet researching required.

Here : https://www.gabionbaskets.co.uk/



No car is gonna be coming through that.

Edited by All that jazz on Saturday 10th December 15:58

Audi TT's just go over.

[Gavia]

motco said:

This farmhouse is on a temptingly oblique fast downhill bend on a country road. The Armco is a matter of self-defence (geddit?)

Wigans Lane

As an update, the Armco is now completely hidden by a privet hedge. Nasty surprise if you do lose it on the corner!

Edited by motco on Saturday 10th December 16:41

How is the Armco a nasty surprise? If you hit it then chances are you'd be hitting the stone wall of the farmhouse anyway.

[motco]

Gavia said:

motco said:

This farmhouse is on a temptingly oblique fast downhill bend on a country road. The Armco is a matter of self-defence (geddit?)

Wigans Lane

As an update, the Armco is now completely hidden by a privet hedge. Nasty surprise if you do lose it on the corner!

Edited by motco on Saturday 10th December 16:41

How is the Armco a nasty surprise? If you hit it then chances are you'd be hitting the stone wall of the farmhouse anyway.

Given the oblique nature of the bend, you could easily be drifting out and hoping for a glancing encounter with a hedgerow. What would have been a few shallow scratches would be a line of dents along the side. Alternatively, if you have almost succeeded in stopping, all wheels locked, a hedge a couple of metres or so from a house wall would seem to be the soft option. But no...

[Gavia]

motco said:

Given the oblique nature of the bend, you could easily be drifting out and hoping for a glancing encounter with a hedgerow. What would have been a few shallow scratches would be a line of dents along the side. Alternatively, if you have almost succeeded in stopping, all wheels locked, a hedge a couple of metres or so from a house wall would seem to be the soft option. But no...

If you're far enough off the road to hit the Armco than you deserve everything you get, not least because the Armco looks closer to the house than the road.

[SVTRick]

akirk said:

Building something like those described above specifically with the intent of making it challenging for out of control drivers, could land you with a manslaughter charge or more if someone dies...

Bell End.

So what about roads where after the edge is a drop of several metres into heavy woodland, or massive trees which will only sustain minor bark damage.
Of large street lighting or heavy cable and telegraph poles.

Building a decent means of protection from out of control vehicles will not
result in any such charge.

[Liquid Knight]

anonymous said:

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I can see both side to this but what if the drunk or speeding driver didn't hit a fence but ran over someone you know? Someone you care about? Someone you love?

If they hit a wall and kill themselves who is to blame? The person who put the wall up or the one who drove over the limit (speed or alcohol) and crashed into it?

Armco is designed to deflect side or angled impact or absorb frontal impact. If anything I'm thinking of reducing the risk of death or substantial injury. I'm not looking at Medieval fortification with spikes sticking out to impale people with (Hmmmmm... Now there's an idea).

Sadly most drink drivers aren't killed as a result of their actions. Cars are far too safe for Darwinian thinking these days.

[akirk]

Osinjak said:

akirk said:

Building something like those described above specifically with the intent of making it challenging for out of control drivers, could land you with a manslaughter charge or more if someone dies...

No it couldn't, you just made that up. OP is not intending to make it difficult for anyone, he's protecting his stuff from slackjawed morons who are incapable of making rational decisions regarding their suitability and ability to drive.

If the OP follows up on he suggestion of armco, then there is probably no issue... it is visible and designed to manage an impact... it might still need to be installed correctly...

If the OP followed up on some of the frankly silly suggestions above in burying hidden RSJs and building tank traps, then the situation would be very different, such 'defences' would clearly add additional injury perhaps fatal and would be excessive protection. if that were the situation, then yes a house owner could end up with manslaughter charges...

Fortunately the OP seems a little more rational than some others, though I do quite like the idea of vertical trampolines!

[blearyeyedboy]

I tend to be one of the more liberal posters here and even I can't believe the stupid suggestion that LK might bear any responsibility for building a solid barrier to protect his property.

I can imagine the following in the future:

Drink Driver: "It's not fair, I want to sue!"

LK's Home Insurers: "What for?"

Drink Driver: "LK's wall was too solid and I dun hurt myself while drink driving into it. I would have damaged my brain if I had one. It's his fault I got hurt because his wall should have been built of crisp packets."

LK's Home Insurers: "Thanks for letting us know. Unfortunately, Health & Safety Legislation means we can't expose our telephone staff to excess levels of Stupid. Please don't ever contact us again or we'll bill you extra for wasting our time." <Click>

[Osinjak]

akirk said:

If the OP followed up on some of the frankly silly suggestions above in burying hidden RSJs and building tank traps, then the situation would be very different, such 'defences' would clearly add additional injury perhaps fatal and would be excessive protection. if that were the situation, then yes a house owner could end up with manslaughter charges...

Fortunately the OP seems a little more rational than some others, though I do quite like the idea of vertical trampolines!

Sorry chap, completely disagree. Not the OP's problem if the mouth breather drives into a spiky piece of garden furniture. Manslaughter? Not a chance.

[Riley Blue]

Osinjak said:

Sorry chap, completely disagree. Not the OP's problem if the mouth breather drives into a spiky piece of garden furniture. Manslaughter? Not a chance.

If the possibility of a manslaughter charge is a real threat, the owners of garden walls bordering roads must be crapping themselves.

[akirk]

Shame people don't actually bother reading the text
A normal wall / fence will undoubtedly be fine, building something designed to repel an invasion will only ever be seen as disproportional...
And for those who believe in fairy-tale endings, just look at numerous examples where burglars sue house-owners for being injured... add in that a landowner does have legal responsibility for what is built on their land and yes there could be issues...

Anyway, it is easy to see all the keyboard warriors who feel bold and brave suggesting silly things from behind their keyboards... it is probably worth the OP checking with his household insurers if building anything which might not be seen as a normal household boundary...

[Riley Blue]

akirk said:

Shame people don't actually bother reading the text
A normal wall / fence will undoubtedly be fine, building something designed to repel an invasion will only ever be seen as disproportional...
And for those who believe in fairy-tale endings, just look at numerous examples where burglars sue house-owners for being injured... add in that a landowner does have legal responsibility for what is built on their land and yes there could be issues...

Anyway, it is easy to see all the keyboard warriors who feel bold and brave suggesting silly things from behind their keyboards... it is probably worth the OP checking with his household insurers if building anything which might not be seen as a normal household boundary...

A 'normal wall'? What is that? I know of roads bordered by walls five or more feet thick which have been there hundreds of years. I've a 1.8 metre tall wall bordering my garden. A fence could have done the same job but the developer built something more substantial to keep people out - or 'repel an invasion' if you like.

'Keyboard warriors'.... really...?

[227bhp]

All that jazz said:

How much space do you have between the council owned bits and your border? What about those cages of stones they use to prop up steep slopes to prevent landslides? A line of those would stop a car coming any further unless they managed to get airborne going over the kerb. No idea where you get them from though - internet researching required.

Reading this thread would useful too, you'll find gabions mentioned about 17 times.

OP, fit your own spring loaded speed bumps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfJN8Yr8nzA

[QuickQuack]

Chainsaw Rebuild said:

I can of course see how people crashing into your property is a complete pain. However how are you going to feel when the next crash happens and you are responsible for their injuries being worse? Imagine if someone, perhaps an innocent passenger, was killed.

Could you plant a sturdy hedge to help "catch" the car and dissipate the energy?

I'd think "Darwin" and that they bloody well deserved it. Don't get pissed and drive, don't speed through residential areas, and don't get into a car driven by a pissed driver and/or one who speeds in residential areas.

We also have a similar issue but can't touch the current perimeter wall as it's listed. Although it's a rather chunky and about one and a half feet wide, aholes have managed to penetrate it in the past; unfortunately we hadn't realised prior to purchase. Our county council have allowed us to put up 3' high 8" x 8" wooden bollards which are concreted in another 2' below ground outside the wall but wouldn't let us put cast iron ones so that the speeding s wouldn't be too bady injured. However, I have got large blocks of ironstone piled up between the bollards and the wall. Then, inside the wall, we now have mature hedges and a couple of trees. I hope that nobody attempts to test the strength of these things but if they do and they are injured, that's their fault.