Crash barrier (Armco) garden fence?
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akirk said:
Osinjak said:
akirk said:
Building something like those described above specifically with the intent of making it challenging for out of control drivers, could land you with a manslaughter charge or more if someone dies...
No it couldn't, you just made that up. OP is not intending to make it difficult for anyone, he's protecting his stuff from slackjawed morons who are incapable of making rational decisions regarding their suitability and ability to drive.If the OP followed up on some of the frankly silly suggestions above in burying hidden RSJs and building tank traps, then the situation would be very different, such 'defences' would clearly add additional injury perhaps fatal and would be excessive protection. if that were the situation, then yes a house owner could end up with manslaughter charges...
Fortunately the OP seems a little more rational than some others, though I do quite like the idea of vertical trampolines!
t up. I have checked with the county council highways department and got legal advice. Highways dept do have a duty of care to the driver as well as the pedestrians hence they can erect bollards, armco etc. to slow/impede progress of vehicles which may crash but these days they need to take into account possible injuries to the driver and other occupants of a car hence they can't utilise some of the suggestions above. A private home owner has no duty of care to anyone outside their boundary in this instance and can do pretty much what they want within planning control and similar restrictions (in our case the listed status) within the boundaries of their property. There are no legal grounds for the owner of the said private property to be sued by a driver/occupant injured in a collision with a structure built to keep vehicles out, and the persons within the property safe, in the event of an accident.
This is a different situation from installing measures intended to cause injury to persons trying to get in or are tresspassing such as bear traps, razor wires, broken glass and similar. Those injured by such measures may be able to sue the occupier but even some of those can be mitigated against. Similarly, if you build your garden wall with 2' long spikes which would penetrate a crashed vehicle and cause massive injury or death, then you could be sued as it would be obvious that the intention is to cause harm, but not just for building a bloody strong wall.
Liquid Knight said:
Six months in prison for driving whilst disqualified. At least in an ideal world that is.
There is always the hardship mitigation. "I could loose my job if I'm banned"
Boo hoo! Maybe you should have thought of that before drink/drug driving.
I've only had trouble from one insurance company but many will only give third party coverage if their policy holder is over the limit.
Spot on! Getting a reduced ban because of your job/general responsibilities is fThere is always the hardship mitigation. "I could loose my job if I'm banned"
Boo
hoo! Maybe you should have thought of that before drink/drug driving. I've only had trouble from one insurance company but many will only give third party coverage if their policy holder is over the limit.
king stupid, I've always thought anyway. Need your car for work? Don't do 90 through town after 8 cans of Special Brew. But that's not on topic.....sorry.horsemeatscandal said:
Liquid Knight said:
Six months in prison for driving whilst disqualified. At least in an ideal world that is.
There is always the hardship mitigation. "I could loose my job if I'm banned"
Boo hoo! Maybe you should have thought of that before drink/drug driving.
I've only had trouble from one insurance company but many will only give third party coverage if their policy holder is over the limit.
Spot on! Getting a reduced ban because of your job/general responsibilities is fThere is always the hardship mitigation. "I could loose my job if I'm banned"
Boo
hoo! Maybe you should have thought of that before drink/drug driving. I've only had trouble from one insurance company but many will only give third party coverage if their policy holder is over the limit.
king stupid, I've always thought anyway. Need your car for work? Don't do 90 through town after 8 cans of Special Brew. But that's not on topic.....sorry.227bhp said:
All that jazz said:
How much space do you have between the council owned bits and your border? What about those cages of stones they use to prop up steep slopes to prevent landslides? A line of those would stop a car coming any further unless they managed to get airborne going over the kerb. No idea where you get them from though - internet researching required.
Reading this thread would useful too, you'll find gabions mentioned about 17 times.OP, fit your own spring loaded speed bumps:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfJN8Yr8nzA
I still think a wall of those is the solution. Unless he gets extremely unlucky the speed of the vehicles isn't going to be high enough for them to get airborne and go over the top of it and no trucks would be down there anyway with the A47 running parallel.
Liquid Knight said:
Okay "tis the season" and all that.
In the last ten years I have had seven drunk/speeding drivers either crash into my front garden or very nearly.
As annoying as this is and from a personal point of view all drink and drugged drivers are the scum of the Earth and should be chemically castrated before they take a dump in the gene pool.
I think the idea of a lifetime ban for a second conviction is a brilliant idea.
The first drunk driver took out my hedge and dumped oil and diesel in my garden so I had to replace it with a fence. That fence lasted two years and I now have concrete posts and wire with Buddleia. One of these posts was bent last year by a hit and run driver who got thirty yards up the road to their driveway. The Police followed the trail of coolant.
But more importantly were they doing 35mph in a 30 zone?In the last ten years I have had seven drunk/speeding drivers either crash into my front garden or very nearly.
As annoying as this is and from a personal point of view all drink and drugged drivers are the scum of the Earth and should be chemically castrated before they take a dump in the gene pool.
I think the idea of a lifetime ban for a second conviction is a brilliant idea.
The first drunk driver took out my hedge and dumped oil and diesel in my garden so I had to replace it with a fence. That fence lasted two years and I now have concrete posts and wire with Buddleia. One of these posts was bent last year by a hit and run driver who got thirty yards up the road to their driveway. The Police followed the trail of coolant.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.8910958,-3.49687...
unassuming garden wall
in reality 6-10 cubic meters of concrete steel reinforcing brick face
nice little fence on top. car/van proof and likely lorry deflecting
unassuming garden wall
in reality 6-10 cubic meters of concrete steel reinforcing brick face
nice little fence on top. car/van proof and likely lorry deflecting
V40TC said:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.8910958,-3.49687...
unassuming garden wall
in reality 6-10 cubic meters of concrete steel reinforcing brick face
nice little fence on top. car/van proof and likely lorry deflecting
Looks like a house version of the US-spec bumpers BMW had to fit to sell cars over there:unassuming garden wall
in reality 6-10 cubic meters of concrete steel reinforcing brick face
nice little fence on top. car/van proof and likely lorry deflecting
Sure they serve a purpose and do a job, but they look ugly and stupid!
On the topic of Manslaughter. If your property boarders a well known accident black spot (I know the use of the word "accident" is inaccurate but that's what they are called) and you deliberately erect a structure with the intent to cause or contribute to undue harm it could be considered premeditation and therefore not Manslaughter at all.
Do I have the right to defend my property from oil, petrol, diesel, coolant, washer fluid, physical damage and broken glass in my lawn for the next ten bloody years? Yes.
Do I have the right to cause injury or even death to others in the defense of my property? Of course not. Tony Martin taught us that one.
Just to repeat the point from earlier. Armco is designed to deflect or absorb impact Not make an already bad situation worse.
As much as I would like to think an Englishman's home is his castle we can't (morally speaking) fortify it.
Do I have the right to defend my property from oil, petrol, diesel, coolant, washer fluid, physical damage and broken glass in my lawn for the next ten bloody years? Yes.
Do I have the right to cause injury or even death to others in the defense of my property? Of course not. Tony Martin taught us that one.
Just to repeat the point from earlier. Armco is designed to deflect or absorb impact Not make an already bad situation worse.
As much as I would like to think an Englishman's home is his castle we can't (morally speaking) fortify it.
Liquid Knight said:
On the topic of Manslaughter. If your property boarders a well known accident black spot (I know the use of the word "accident" is inaccurate but that's what they are called) and you deliberately erect a structure with the intent to cause or contribute to undue harm it could be considered premeditation and therefore not Manslaughter at all.
Do I have the right to defend my property from oil, petrol, diesel, coolant, washer fluid, physical damage and broken glass in my lawn for the next ten bloody years? Yes.
Do I have the right to cause injury or even death to others in the defense of my property? Of course not. Tony Martin taught us that one.
Shooting a burglar with a shotgun is a bit different to building a very sturdy wall.Do I have the right to defend my property from oil, petrol, diesel, coolant, washer fluid, physical damage and broken glass in my lawn for the next ten bloody years? Yes.
Do I have the right to cause injury or even death to others in the defense of my property? Of course not. Tony Martin taught us that one.
I'm sure that's all the OP is after. A very strong wall to protect his family and kittens. He doesn't intend to cause any harm at all.
I can't see a court in the land getting a murder charge to stick. If he'd put 2" spikes on it then yes, but just for a sturdy wall? No.
Biker's Nemesis said:
Build a ramp with a big metal hoop that shoots confetti 100ft in the air when they crash through it.
That's almost as good as the perpendicular trampolines idea. Trouble with that is if the vehicle has a flat four it'll keep coming back.
Update; three neighbors are for it, five object and two don't care.
I live on a bend and have a set of big cast iron gates and about 50 yards of hedge. About ten years we were getting a car on it's roof in the hedge every other week and some of the crashes were ending up a hundred yards down the road (including one that crippled two lady joggers for life). The speed limit is 30mph and I see people regularly driving around the bend at what I reckon is an easy 80mph - absolutely insane. Seen many many crashed going the other way (they don't end up in my garden/gates, but do end up having head on crashed with stuff coming the other way).
We've not had a car through the hedge though since the bend was shellgripped about 9 years ago. It's not shellgripped the other way.
We've not had a car through the hedge though since the bend was shellgripped about 9 years ago. It's not shellgripped the other way.
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
I can of course see how people crashing into your property is a complete pain. However how are you going to feel when the next crash happens and you are responsible for their injuries being worse? Imagine if someone, perhaps an innocent passenger, was killed.
I'd be concerned about them coming through the house/hitting someone on my land. With the best will in the world, i'm putting stupid driver's safety well down that of mine/family/visitors. Fair enough I wouldn't install land mines, but a solid wall to protect my land & family seems perfectly acceptable. Dad lived on the inside of a bad bend and we had a couple of people end up on the lawn.
The neighbours on the outside:
One placed a 12" high concrete crash barrier around the corner which deflected them back into the road
The other was a farmer's field and he simply deposited a huge pile of manure - perhaps 15' diameter and 8' high to fill the hole that people repeatedly made in his hedge - surprisingly at least one car went up and over it !
The neighbours on the outside:
One placed a 12" high concrete crash barrier around the corner which deflected them back into the road
The other was a farmer's field and he simply deposited a huge pile of manure - perhaps 15' diameter and 8' high to fill the hole that people repeatedly made in his hedge - surprisingly at least one car went up and over it !
V8RX7 said:
Dad lived on the inside of a bad bend and we had a couple of people end up on the lawn.
The neighbours on the outside:
One placed a 12" high concrete crash barrier around the corner which deflected them back into the road
The other was a farmer's field and he simply deposited a huge pile of manure - perhaps 15' diameter and 8' high to fill the hole that people repeatedly made in his hedge - surprisingly at least one car went up and over it !
Interesting - I wonder if the answer is a 2' concrete barrier covered in some form of grass/creeper? Not too high or visually nasty, and could be landscaped in?The neighbours on the outside:
One placed a 12" high concrete crash barrier around the corner which deflected them back into the road
The other was a farmer's field and he simply deposited a huge pile of manure - perhaps 15' diameter and 8' high to fill the hole that people repeatedly made in his hedge - surprisingly at least one car went up and over it !
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