Crash barrier (Armco) garden fence?

[V8RX7]

It's really quite small but has worked for many years

[GSalt]

Liquid Knight said:

Since the A17 from Sutton Bridge to King's Lynn has had average speed cameras the number of collisions in my village has gone up from a couple a year to sixteen since the cameras were installed (in April).

The best bit about all this? .. the cameras haven't been switched on yet, they're due to go live next week..

http://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/a17-speed-cameras-t...

[Liquid Knight]

GSalt said:

Liquid Knight said:

Since the A17 from Sutton Bridge to King's Lynn has had average speed cameras the number of collisions in my village has gone up from a couple a year to sixteen since the cameras were installed (in April).

The best bit about all this? .. the cameras haven't been switched on yet, they're due to go live next week..

http://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/a17-speed-cameras-t...

I know and knew that but again we're not dealing with the cream of the crop here guys.

Basically the Norfolk Police and local press have just announced the A17 is a race track for the next three days.

[cmaguire]

Because all roads without cameras are racetracks.

The propoganda is working.

[GSalt]

Liquid Knight said:

I know and knew that but again we're not dealing with the cream of the crop here guys.

Maybe a big yellow birdbox on a thick grey pole may have a calming influence? As you say, they're not the brightest drivers 'round these parts.

[SystemParanoia]

Double Stacked HGV kerbs used as gravel boards for your new steel reinforced wall should do the trick

[Liquid Knight]

cmaguire said:

Because all roads without cameras are racetracks.

The propoganda is working.

Not propaganda at all. The A17 from Sutton Bridge to King's Lynn used to be a well know roundabout race for bikers. From Sutton Bridge to the A17/A47 roundabout and back. They used to gather at the Bridge Hotel. More innocent less Health and Safety times.

[Jordan63]

I live near Swaffham & regularly travel up the A17 so I know the exact roads you are talking about - they're not great!

I have seen Armco used in someones garden near me, they live on a sharp corner and had Armco installed the complete width of their front garden (A corner plot) then had a wooden fence erected in front of it so you can't see it from the outside (No idea what it looks like from in the garden, presumably an Armco with a wooden fence in front of it..)


Here we go, behind the fence there is Armco the whole way round:

[Liquid Knight]

Jordan63 said:

I live near Swaffham & regularly travel up the A17 so I know the exact roads you are talking about - they're not great!

I have seen Armco used in someones garden near me, they live on a sharp corner and had Armco installed the complete width of their front garden (A corner plot) then had a wooden fence erected in front of it so you can't see it from the outside (No idea what it looks like from in the garden, presumably an Armco with a wooden fence in front of it..)


Here we go, behind the fence there is Armco the whole way round:

Now that is a really good idea.

At least average speed cameras might do something. Norfolk County Council's Highways policy for more dangerous roads is to make them even more dangerous by fly tipping kitty litter on them so the surface is like driving on the surface of the Moon; or woefully neglect the road so the surface is like the cratered parts of the Moon. Neither any use apart from seeing SUV's for people to speed in and pretend they're somewhere between Paris and Dakar and not the A47

[SystemParanoia]

'Crazy' pensioner fits his own bollards due to people endlessly crashing into his property

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-2290531...





Same 'crazy' pensioner then spends a hell of alot of money after his first attempt resulted in failure!

Personally, I dont think his second attempt will be any more successful than his first

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3583074/Fr...


If you're going to do it... do it properly, the drivers dont care about your family or the lives of anyone they hit. so protect yourself.

Edited by SystemParanoia on Wednesday 8th February 13:01

[Jonno02]

After reading that story, I think 'crazy' is utterly disrespectful.

[SystemParanoia]

I should have put quotation marks around it as i obviously dont mean crazy in a serious manor.
Im also stating it as vindication for both to do whatever you deem appropriate to protect you and yours.

Bastions should be a good start, ontop of some Treif kerbs, and possibly some I-beams and armco!

Edited by SystemParanoia on Wednesday 8th February 13:08

Edited by SystemParanoia on Wednesday 8th February 13:08

[GreatGranny]

Liquid Knight said:

cmaguire said:

Because all roads without cameras are racetracks.

The propoganda is working.

Not propaganda at all. The A17 from Sutton Bridge to King's Lynn used to be a well know roundabout race for bikers. From Sutton Bridge to the A17/A47 roundabout and back. They used to gather at the Bridge Hotel. More innocent less Health and Safety times.

Used to do Sleaford to Norwich 3 times a week and the general standard of driving along the stretch from Sleaford to Kings Lynn was appalling.
IMO it's a good thing that the cameras have been installed.
KSI rates in Norfolk and Lincolnshire aren't falling (think they rose 2014 to 2015) so obviously something has to be done.
I realise that some of the driving Gods on PH think that speed limits and enforcement is nonsense but the majority of drivers are not driving Gods.

[Liquid Knight]

GreatGranny said:

Liquid Knight said:

cmaguire said:

Because all roads without cameras are racetracks.

The propoganda is working.

Not propaganda at all. The A17 from Sutton Bridge to King's Lynn used to be a well know roundabout race for bikers. From Sutton Bridge to the A17/A47 roundabout and back. They used to gather at the Bridge Hotel. More innocent less Health and Safety times.

Used to do Sleaford to Norwich 3 times a week and the general standard of driving along the stretch from Sleaford to Kings Lynn was appalling.
IMO it's a good thing that the cameras have been installed.
KSI rates in Norfolk and Lincolnshire aren't falling (think they rose 2014 to 2015) so obviously something has to be done.
I realise that some of the driving Gods on PH think that speed limits and enforcement is nonsense but the majority of drivers are not driving Gods.

The A17 was closed again tonight due to a collision at Station Road, Terrington St Clement so the cameras are about as effective at stopping incidents as ever.

The number of collisions in the villages has gone down though. Mostly due to a Police crack down the other week. As well as fourteen speeding vehicles stopped in an hour, three mobile phone users, two weren't wearing seat belts and one was over the limit from the night before.

[beko1987]

motco said:

This farmhouse is on a temptingly oblique fast downhill bend on a country road. The Armco is a matter of self-defence (geddit?)

Wigans Lane

As an update, the Armco is now completely hidden by a privet hedge. Nasty surprise if you do lose it on the corner!

Edited by motco on Saturday 10th December 16:41

I've driven past that house many, MANY times and never knew there was a crash barrier there, always thought that house would be for it should the worse happen!

That corner is a dodgy one, I travel past it to get to the tip, and even doing 50/60mph in my laden up Xantia I knock it down to 30mph around that corner, mainly for the acceleration to get up the hill the other side!

[oyster]

SVTRick said:

akirk said:

Building something like those described above specifically with the intent of making it challenging for out of control drivers, could land you with a manslaughter charge or more if someone dies...

Bell End.

So what about roads where after the edge is a drop of several metres into heavy woodland, or massive trees which will only sustain minor bark damage.
Of large street lighting or heavy cable and telegraph poles.

Building a decent means of protection from out of control vehicles will not
result in any such charge.

There's a world of difference between a natural hazard off the edge of a road (such as an elevation drop or a tree) and a man-made hazard. Even more so if the hazard is designed in such a way to cause injury rather than prevent injury.

It would come down to a judges view on negligence.

[Rude-boy]

GreatGranny said:

Used to do Sleaford to Norwich 3 times a week and the general standard of driving along the stretch from Sleaford to Kings Lynn was appalling.
IMO it's a good thing that the cameras have been installed.
KSI rates in Norfolk and Lincolnshire aren't falling (think they rose 2014 to 2015) so obviously something has to be done.
I realise that some of the driving Gods on PH think that speed limits and enforcement is nonsense but the majority of drivers are not driving Gods.

The thing about Suffolk to a degree and to a greater one Norfolk is that instead of nice big hedges with the odd tree lining the roads there are big enough to swallow a car ditches that even in the hottest of months often have a foot or so of water in the bottom of them. It doesn't matter if you run off the road at 20mph or 90 mph if the car comes to rest on it's side with the doors jammed shut and the px/driver in anything other than good mental and physical form they are stuck in there until they are found/extracted or dead from injuries or drowning. I'd also add that i would have a lot more regard for the SCs i have seen in Norfolk if they thought about placing them before tight bends or in the middle of towns and villages, not in the middle of 2 mile long straights or just before/after limit changes.

[amancalledrob]

oyster said:

There's a world of difference between a natural hazard off the edge of a road (such as an elevation drop or a tree) and a man-made hazard. Even more so if the hazard is designed in such a way to cause injury rather than prevent injury.

It would come down to a judges view on negligence.

Yes, because we've all been assaulted by a piece of Armco whilst trying to go about our day

There's no duty of care for a homeowner to survey his property for items that could cause injury to someone crashing their car into said property. Any injury is caused by the car crash, not by the presence/absence of items on the premises being negligently crashed into.

By the same token, there's no duty of care for homeowners to install injury-mitigating features like gravel traps or tyre walls

[SystemParanoia]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-21916...

Homeowner is well within their rights to protect themselves in my opinion

and here's some more

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wale...

[Liquid Knight]

Okay let's clarify the law here.

Hitting someone over the head with a length of Armco would be assault, A or GBH or attempted murder if you can hit them hard enough (good luck it weighs a fair bit to swing).

Putting a length of Armco in the road for someone to hit with hostile intent is also against the law. Criminal damage, Obstruction of the Queens Highway etc.

Putting up Armco on a property boundary is not against the law at all.


Also I agree with the dikes and ditches issue in this part of the world. Just after Christmas I had to pull a guy out of his sunroof because the doors were jammed shut and the car filling with water. The ditch he had driven into was only a few feet deep but the water was only just above freezing so we had to get him out.