Nut Allergy At Work
Discussion
Nigel Worc's said:
simoid said:
Nigel Worc's said:
No, but in the same vein I dislike the rule that makes everywhere have disabled access for such people.
Might I ask why?If I'm being honest, I'm struggling to believe anyone really thinks like you. I thought it was an almost universally accepted principle that we don't exclude anyone from public society or contributing to our economy unless they commit a crime.
If you run a business (which I do but mine isn't a public access thing), then I run it to make money for me.
So if for example I runa cafe, or a shop, I think it should be my choice to adapt it for disabled access, not dictated to me just in case a wheelchair user should wish to visit.
My accountant had to move premises because he didn't have disabled access, he doesn't actually have any disabled customers, but rules are rules.
Do you see where I'm coming from ?
How can your accountant be sure he will never have a disabled client? Or does he intend to always discriminate against those in that category?
I don't wish you ill, but I wonder if you would feel the same way if the tables were turned and you discovered how much it would affect you.
Enough of the thread drift. It is clear from the very first post that the employer may have made reasonable adjustments by bringing it to the attention of othesr by posting relevant notices. If these are being ignored, or indeed being delberately flouted, then the employer is derelict in its duty if it doesn't take action against those responsible. Going after the sufferer is not on. It's just like bullying at school. Blame the victim and punish him/her for any retaliation.
Laws were brought in because of people being ignorant to others needs. Clearly from this thread it was necessary.
A lot of people do not have a clue how difficult it is for the disabled [in the widest sense] to live their lives.
As for the nut allergy, they didn't ask to have it, in enclosed spaces [including work] they should be protected from the idiots that threaten their lives. They can't do it on their own because some of the people are less than understanding, a bit like on here.
I was once a person who was ignorant to the whole disability thing, but having lived closely with a disabled person I can tell you it is a very difficult life and harder when you have people being ignorant to that fact.
Nigel, you have provided some very good responses to many topics but you are coming across very insensitive and ignorant on this subject
A lot of people do not have a clue how difficult it is for the disabled [in the widest sense] to live their lives.
As for the nut allergy, they didn't ask to have it, in enclosed spaces [including work] they should be protected from the idiots that threaten their lives. They can't do it on their own because some of the people are less than understanding, a bit like on here.
I was once a person who was ignorant to the whole disability thing, but having lived closely with a disabled person I can tell you it is a very difficult life and harder when you have people being ignorant to that fact.
Nigel, you have provided some very good responses to many topics but you are coming across very insensitive and ignorant on this subject
Nigel Worc's said:
It is a tricky one this !
I speak as an insulin dependant diabetic, and I don't have any answers, but I am surprised the employer even took her on.
Whilst trying to make the workplace fairer all these rules make the person less employable.
I actually have my own small company, but I wouldn't employ me (in fact I don't think I can be employed legally in my current role if you take the rules as they are written).
I don't see a nut allergy as a problem. Until recently I had 2 of my team who had serious reaction to nuts, one of them potentially fatal. It's pretty straightforward to work around and as far as I am concerned anyone breaching it is in flagrant breach of H&S. I take a relatively relaxed view on medical conditions. In all but one situation that I've had, flexibility from an employers side has reflected well in the performance of the individual. I speak as an insulin dependant diabetic, and I don't have any answers, but I am surprised the employer even took her on.
Whilst trying to make the workplace fairer all these rules make the person less employable.
I actually have my own small company, but I wouldn't employ me (in fact I don't think I can be employed legally in my current role if you take the rules as they are written).
Edited by bga on Sunday 18th December 08:28
bga said:
I don't see a nut allergy as a problem. Until recently I had 2 of my team who had serious reaction to nuts, one of them potentially fatal. It's pretty straightforward to work around and as far as I am concerned anyone breaching it is in flagrant breach of H&S. I take a relatively relaxed view on medical conditions. In all but one situation that I've had, flexibility from an employers side has reflected well in the performance of the individual.
Reasonable adaptions are generally quite easy. One of the highest performers in my extended team has a severe physical disability and his work ethic puts many of his peers to shame. We invested (see it as an investment rather than a cost) to support him...Nigel Worc's said:
My accountant had to move premises because he didn't have disabled access, he doesn't actually have any disabled customers, but rules are rules.
Do you see where I'm coming from ?
No he didn't. He could have (or his landlord could have) adapted the premises.Do you see where I'm coming from ?
I don't recall seeing hundreds of Tesco and ASDA and Waitrose stores all moving because they didn't have disabled access. On that note, nor did my accountant oddly.
FredericRobinson said:
Nigel Worc's said:
My accountant had to move premises because he didn't have disabled access, he doesn't actually have any disabled customers, but rules are rules.
Do you see where I'm coming from ?
Well he wouldn't have any disabled customers with no disabled access would he?Do you see where I'm coming from ?
Nigel Worc's said:
donkmeister said:
I don't know when you were a kid, however my bro is about to turn 40 and his peanut allergy was identified when he ate a marathon bar aged 2 in 1979 . He is also asthmatic:-)
Were peanuts consumed by British children as frequently in decades past? I remember PB being an exotic thing that only my American friends had back in the mid-80s.
I was born in the early 60s, I ate peanuts frequently as a child, both covered in chocolate, and bought "loose" by my mother, in their shells.Were peanuts consumed by British children as frequently in decades past? I remember PB being an exotic thing that only my American friends had back in the mid-80s.
What I don't remember is a great intake of salted ones, and I don't recall dry roasted from that era.
Walnuts & Brazil nuts are also a common memory from those times.
ETA KP launched Dry Roasted peanuts in the 80s
4x4Tyke said:
Alrady equipmented with latex gloves and anti bacterial wipes. Explains everything.
Explains what exactly? That she was attempting manage and mitigate contact with materials that might harm her.... seems perfectly reasonable to me. Would you also condemn someone for carrying a potentially life saving epi-pen?
My own mitigation of my, thankfully mild, nut allergies is observation and avoidance- no matter how tempting something looks.
Red Devil said:
Why has that building got a pile of giant cashews in front of it?I have an allergy to prawns.
I've learnt to ask 'does this have prawns in it?' in quite a few different languages.
Should we go to dinner though, feel free to order prawns. I wouldn't stop you enjoying food you like because of my allergy.
My super power is telling whether prawn crackers actually have any prawn in them - most don't by the way.
Some fish stocks do though - but not always mentioned on the ingredients list, especially in France.
I've learnt to ask 'does this have prawns in it?' in quite a few different languages.
Should we go to dinner though, feel free to order prawns. I wouldn't stop you enjoying food you like because of my allergy.
My super power is telling whether prawn crackers actually have any prawn in them - most don't by the way.
Some fish stocks do though - but not always mentioned on the ingredients list, especially in France.
Finally made it to the end of this topic, and as one of the most intolerant people I know even I am absolutely astounded by the centre-of-the-universe bulls
t that a number of people, although mainly one, is pushing.
I can only hope that they and their nearest and dearest develop a debilitating allergy and they force themselves to live a life of a social recluse by their own standards, never exiting the house because it would be unreasonable for their neighbours not to smear their allergen up their property.
This sort of st is why murder should be allowed. What a hateful prick and I hope one day someone has the pleasure of laughing off your suffering. Just how fking hard is it to understand that it is perfectly reasonable to ask people not to bring something that could kill someone into a space where their rights are quite justifiably protected?
Bring in attempted murder charges for these self-centred pricks. They'll soon fking wake up when Bubba's having a good time with their anus.
t that a number of people, although mainly one, is pushing.I can only hope that they and their nearest and dearest develop a debilitating allergy and they force themselves to live a life of a social recluse by their own standards, never exiting the house because it would be unreasonable for their neighbours not to smear their allergen up their property.
This sort of s
t is why murder should be allowed. What a hateful prick and I hope one day someone has the pleasure of laughing off your suffering. Just how fking hard is it to understand that it is perfectly reasonable to ask people not to bring something that could kill someone into a space where their rights are quite justifiably protected?Bring in attempted murder charges for these self-centred pricks. They'll soon f
king wake up when Bubba's having a good time with their anus.Pegscratch said:
Finally made it to the end of this topic, and as one of the most intolerant people I know even I am absolutely astounded by the centre-of-the-universe bullst that a number of people, although mainly one, is pushing.
I can only hope that they and their nearest and dearest develop a debilitating allergy and they force themselves to live a life of a social recluse by their own standards, never exiting the house because it would be unreasonable for their neighbours not to smear their allergen up their property.
This sort of st is why murder should be allowed. What a hateful prick and I hope one day someone has the pleasure of laughing off your suffering. Just how fking hard is it to understand that it is perfectly reasonable to ask people not to bring something that could kill someone into a space where their rights are quite justifiably protected?
Bring in attempted murder charges for these self-centred pricks. They'll soon fking wake up when Bubba's having a good time with their anus.
t that a number of people, although mainly one, is pushing.I can only hope that they and their nearest and dearest develop a debilitating allergy and they force themselves to live a life of a social recluse by their own standards, never exiting the house because it would be unreasonable for their neighbours not to smear their allergen up their property.
This sort of s
t is why murder should be allowed. What a hateful prick and I hope one day someone has the pleasure of laughing off your suffering. Just how fking hard is it to understand that it is perfectly reasonable to ask people not to bring something that could kill someone into a space where their rights are quite justifiably protected?Bring in attempted murder charges for these self-centred pricks. They'll soon f
king wake up when Bubba's having a good time with their anus.Hmmm. 'centre-of-the-universe bulls
t'? I'm guessing you know all about that.
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