DVLA has banned me from driving for 4 years..and it wasnt me

DVLA has banned me from driving for 4 years..and it wasnt me

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Chris32345

2,086 posts

63 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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Breadvan72 said:
Same as all threads on PH: the OP bought an MX 5.
Sad git

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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Well, they're not the car for everybody, that's true.

DaveCWK

1,992 posts

175 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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Also interested in what finally happened.

paintman

7,689 posts

191 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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The OP was stopped whilst driving & summarily executed at the roadside for driving whilst disqualified before being buried in the nearest ditch.

The reality was much less dramatic.
As you'll see about halfway through the saga when you've read it that far.
As I just did.

CanAm

9,224 posts

273 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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DaveCWK said:
Also interested in what finally happened.
The OP had only posted once since this thread. In April 2019 he said he was having trouble putting petrol in his TVR, so at least he's back on the road now.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

118 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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CanAm said:
The OP had only posted once since this thread. In April 2019 he said he was having trouble putting petrol in his TVR, so at least he's back on the road now.
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"at least he's back on the road now"

Was back on the road.

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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Ran out of petrol in 2019?

eldar

21,769 posts

197 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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Chris32345 said:
Sad git
Odd sig.

vikingaero

10,353 posts

170 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Having skimmed through this thread after its resurrection and concerns over revoked/disqualified/no licence, if this would help anyone else:

My Dad forgot to renew his licence (70 years, renewed every 3 years) or didn't get a renewal letter from the DVLA, skidded on spilt diesel on a roundabout, small crash into a barrier, and the Insurance agent on the phone stated to the attending Police - No Licence = No Insurance). He was charged with driving without insurance.

This is the letter I wrote to the prosecuting officer who agreed with it and dropped the No Insurance charge:

[b]On xx/xx/2020, I appeared with my Father, VikingaerosDad, before xxx Magistrates Court and the Justices adjourned the case to xx/xx/2020 and the Justices asked me to write to you.

I explained to the Court that my Father had been given advice by Family members that driving without insurance is an absolute offence and that he should plead guilty on the Single Justice Procedure. I said to the Court that there could be a miscarriage of justice as his Insurers had no right to withdraw or deny cover as the Policy Document did not allow them to do so in his case. I provided the Court with a copy of the exclusions.

On xx/xx/2019 my Father was involved in a single vehicle accident in on the Axxx Bypass. The Police attended and found that he had forgotten to renew his licence in January 2019. They contacted the Insurers, Scumbag Insurance, who advised the Officers at the scene that he was not insured.

I attach a copy of Scumbags General exclusions and have highlighted the relevant paragraph which states:

We will not pay for any loss, damage or liability which arises while your car is being:
• driven by a person who does not hold a valid
driving licence, unless the person has held and is
not disqualified from holding or getting a licence
(the person driving the car must be legally
entitled to do so);

If we look at this paragraph I will put in my narrative in square brackets:
We will not pay for any loss, damage or liability which arises while your car is being:
• driven by a person who does not hold a valid driving licence [he did not hold a valid driving licence but see following terms], unless the person has held [he has previously held a licence] and is not disqualified from holding or getting a licence [he is not disqualified from holding or getting a licence] (the person driving the car must be legally entitled to do so); [he is legally entitled to do so as I renewed his licence online for him the next day] [/b]

The Insurance Industry and the Police are very quick to accept the not insured route even when their T&C's prohibit them from doing so and often the agent and/or the Police will mislead each other to get the outcome they want. In case anyone thinks because he forgot to renew his licence, what is his driving like? It's good. It's something we as a family monitor all the time.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

118 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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vikingaero said:
the Insurers, Scumbag Insurance, who advised the Officers at the scene that he was not insured.

I attach a copy of Scumbags General exclusions and have highlighted the relevant paragraph which states:

We will not pay for any loss, damage or liability which arises while your car is being:
• driven by a person who does not hold a valid
driving licence, unless the person has held and is
not disqualified from holding or getting a licence
(the person driving the car must be legally
entitled to do so);
Why do you call them Scumbag Insurance? Their terms and conditions are more or less standard.

If I had to get my son to write letters for me I think I would stop driving.

Yes, I am older than your father.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

118 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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AVV EM said:
Christ, that's a major balls up!
Happy new year to you from the DVLA party

Hope you get it sorted asap
It wasn't the DVLA!

It was the Jocks wot dun it!

Any road up.

This is 4 years old now.

Edited by The Mad Monk on Monday 5th April 14:52

techguyone

3,137 posts

143 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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True but from being seemingly resolved the DVLA/Courts seemed to manage to cock it up again, and we never found out the final outcome.

NGee

2,396 posts

165 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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The Mad Monk said:
vikingaero said:
the Insurers, Scumbag Insurance, who advised the Officers at the scene that he was not insured.

I attach a copy of Scumbags General exclusions and have highlighted the relevant paragraph which states:

We will not pay for any loss, damage or liability which arises while your car is being:
• driven by a person who does not hold a valid
driving licence, unless the person has held and is
not disqualified from holding or getting a licence
(the person driving the car must be legally
entitled to do so);
Why do you call them Scumbag Insurance? Their terms and conditions are more or less standard.
Yes, and those exclusion DON'T include not covering someone who has just forgotten to renew their licence.
As they don't even know their own exclusions I would think Scumbag insurance would be quite apt.

handpaper

1,296 posts

204 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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vikingaero said:
Having skimmed through this thread after its resurrection and concerns over revoked/disqualified/no licence, if this would help anyone else:

My Dad forgot to renew his licence (70 years, renewed every 3 years) or didn't get a renewal letter from the DVLA, skidded on spilt diesel on a roundabout, small crash into a barrier, and the Insurance agent on the phone stated to the attending Police - No Licence = No Insurance). He was charged with driving without insurance.

This is the letter I wrote to the prosecuting officer who agreed with it and dropped the No Insurance charge:

On xx/xx/2020, I appeared with my Father, VikingaerosDad, before xxx Magistrates Court and the Justices adjourned the case to xx/xx/2020 and the Justices asked me to write to you.

I explained to the Court that my Father had been given advice by Family members that driving without insurance is an absolute offence and that he should plead guilty on the Single Justice Procedure. I said to the Court that there could be a miscarriage of justice as his Insurers had no right to withdraw or deny cover as the Policy Document did not allow them to do so in his case. I provided the Court with a copy of the exclusions.

On xx/xx/2019 my Father was involved in a single vehicle accident in on the Axxx Bypass. The Police attended and found that he had forgotten to renew his licence in January 2019. They contacted the Insurers, Scumbag Insurance, who advised the Officers at the scene that he was not insured.

I attach a copy of Scumbags General exclusions and have highlighted the relevant paragraph which states:

We will not pay for any loss, damage or liability which arises while your car is being:
• driven by a person who does not hold a valid
driving licence, unless the person [b]has held and is
not disqualified from holding or getting a licence[/b]
(the person driving the car must be legally
entitled to do so);

If we look at this paragraph I will put in my narrative in square brackets:
We will not pay for any loss, damage or liability which arises while your car is being:
• driven by a person who does not hold a valid driving licence [he did not hold a valid driving licence but see following terms], unless the person has held [he has previously held a licence] and is not disqualified from holding or getting a licence [he is not disqualified from holding or getting a licence] (the person driving the car must be legally entitled to do so); [he is legally entitled to do so as I renewed his licence online for him the next day] [/b]

The Insurance Industry and the Police are very quick to accept the not insured route even when their T&C's prohibit them from doing so and often the agent and/or the Police will mislead each other to get the outcome they want. In case anyone thinks because he forgot to renew his licence, what is his driving like? It's good. It's something we as a family monitor all the time.
has held and is not disqualified from holding or getting a licence
This language also used to appear on the driving licence application form, and once upon a time I used it to beat a charge of "otherwise than in accordance with..."

Edited by handpaper on Monday 5th April 19:45

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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NGee said:
The Mad Monk said:
vikingaero said:
the Insurers, Scumbag Insurance, who advised the Officers at the scene that he was not insured.

I attach a copy of Scumbags General exclusions and have highlighted the relevant paragraph which states:

We will not pay for any loss, damage or liability which arises while your car is being:
• driven by a person who does not hold a valid
driving licence, unless the person has held and is
not disqualified from holding or getting a licence
(the person driving the car must be legally
entitled to do so);
Why do you call them Scumbag Insurance? Their terms and conditions are more or less standard.
Yes, and those exclusion DON'T include not covering someone who has just forgotten to renew their licence.
As they don't even know their own exclusions I would think Scumbag insurance would be quite apt.
What's up with you lot, isn't it abundantly clear that he used Scumbag because he wanted to avoid falling foul of the naming and shaming rule here and Scumbag is a whimsical version of xxxxxxxx...?

Please pass the wall....

eldar

21,769 posts

197 months

Tuesday 6th April 2021
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Scumbag? Calumny.