Right of way when exiting a roundabout?

[Chester draws]

Derek Smith said:

I think you might be confusing the limits of the controlled area and the limits of the pedestrian crossing.

Possibly? I could be wrong....

I'm understanding the limit to be defined by the zig zags.

A car within those limits when the pedestrian steps into the carriageway isn't required to stop?

[Derek Smith]

Chester draws said:

Possibly? I could be wrong....

I'm understanding the limit to be defined by the zig zags.

A car within those limits when the pedestrian steps into the carriageway isn't required to stop?

There's been new legislation since this was of interest to me, but from some years ago, the limits of the pedestrian crossing are defined by the dotted markings either side of the black and white bits and the controlled area is the bits between the white lines at right angles to the kerb at the end of the zig-zags.

[Randy Winkman]

If we put to one side the main priority of not getting run over - isn't there an issue with whether the driver crosses a painted broken white line when they move from one road to another? Isn't it known as a "hazard line" or something?

[mjb1]

Mutley said:

QBee said:

The Green Cross code is still in the Highway Code.....

And how many children have read it?

Dunno about these days, but I remember as a young kid we had it drilled into us at school. Wouldn't surprise me if all they teach kids these days is that if a car hits you it's the drivers fault, along with all motorists are speeding, environment wrecking scum that should be using public transport instead. </Daily Mail rant>.

I'm surprised a mini round about has been created that introduces blind spots so serious that you can't possibly be aware of a car until it's about to hit you. They usually have nice, wide open layouts with good visibility all around.

Maybe the OP could post a google maps link (or otherwise state the location) of this particular roundabout?

[clockworks]

mjb1 said:

Dunno about these days, but I remember as a young kid we had it drilled into us at school. Wouldn't surprise me if all they teach kids these days is that if a car hits you it's the drivers fault, along with all motorists are speeding, environment wrecking scum that should be using public transport instead. </Daily Mail rant>.

I'm surprised a mini round about has been created that introduces blind spots so serious that you can't possibly be aware of a car until it's about to hit you. They usually have nice, wide open layouts with good visibility all around.

Maybe the OP could post a google maps link (or otherwise state the location) of this particular roundabout?

Junction of Green Lane and Drump Road, Redruth, Cornwall

[Chester draws]

Derek Smith said:

Chester draws said:

Possibly? I could be wrong....

I'm understanding the limit to be defined by the zig zags.

A car within those limits when the pedestrian steps into the carriageway isn't required to stop?

There's been new legislation since this was of interest to me, but from some years ago, the limits of the pedestrian crossing are defined by the dotted markings either side of the black and white bits and the controlled area is the bits between the white lines at right angles to the kerb at the end of the zig-zags.

The "Limits of the crossing" are indeed defined as right at the edges of the stripy bit.

The "controlled area" relates more to stopping.

Which means that as long as the pedestrian has their foot on the crossing before the car gets onto the crossing the pedestrian has precedence.

[KevinCamaroSS]

clockworks said:

Junction of Green Lane and Drump Road, Redruth, Cornwall

Looked at that and there is no crossing there. Blind corner because of building.

I assume you are crossing Drump Road? If so, IMHO, you must go down the road before crossing because it is far too dangerous at the roundabout. Pavement both sides, only loss is in time, perhaps 30 seconds.

[PAULJ5555]

QBee said:

Extract from the Highway Code - pedestrian's section.

"Rule 8

At a junction. When crossing the road, look out for traffic turning into the road, especially from behind you. If you have started crossing and traffic wants to turn into the road, you have priority and they should give way"

I had this, a jogger ran out over a junction from behind the turning van in front of me, he shouted at me because I had to slam on the brakes. I told him when crossing the road he should STOP LOOK AND LISTEN, no point being in the right and dead.

[mjb1]

KevinCamaroSS said:

clockworks said:

Junction of Green Lane and Drump Road, Redruth, Cornwall

Looked at that and there is no crossing there. Blind corner because of building.

I assume you are crossing Drump Road? If so, IMHO, you must go down the road before crossing because it is far too dangerous at the roundabout. Pavement both sides, only loss is in time, perhaps 30 seconds.

There is a dropped kerb at one side of the road only by the looks of it (although there is another dropped kerb the other side, but right in the middle of the roundabout), and there is a central island refuge. The blind side of the road of the 'crossing' is quite wide, but visibility isn't ideal. I'd say that if you aren't confident to cross there (kids, elderly, anyone who isn't so quick on their toes), you'd be better off going a bit further up the road to cross. Not ideal, but as there is no pavement at all the other side of the mini roundabout, there's no real alternative.

You could campaign to the local authority for a better crossing facility, but they would likely create that further up the road (by the speed hump), as they can't really do anything to improve visibility, short of compulsory purchasing and demolishing someone's property. The mini round about is probably safer in this respect than what was presumably a T junction before, since approaching drivers on the blind direction at least now have a give way onto the mini roundabout (before it would have been a regular left turn).

First part of the green cross code is about finding a safe place to cross, and right by a junction isn't really ideal. That's followed by stop, look, listen, so even if you can't see an approaching car on the blind approach, there's a good chance you'd hear it. I'd cross there by myself, but I'd also be extra cautious, brisk, and prepared to dash out of the road. If I had kids with me, I'd probably go further up.

[clockworks]

Yes, I am walking along Green Lane, crossing Drump Road, from right to left in that picture. At about 17:30, so traffic heading down Drump Road to the roundabout is fairly heavy (rat run from industrial estate out to the A30). Fair amount of traffic comes from the right, and leaves the roundabout onto Drump Lane. Minimal traffic entering or exiting the roundabout from Green Lane on the left of the pic, so cars coming from Green Lane on the right and going into Drump Road often don't slow down at all.

When I do the return journey at 21:30, it's a lot easier to see any cars, plus there are a lot less of them.

Further up Green Lane (to the right) is a 20 limit, with plenty of speed humps. Simple solution would be to just extend this down to the roundabout, so the traffic is going a bit slower.

Edited by clockworks on Friday 13th January 14:15

[KevinCamaroSS]

clockworks said:

Yes, I am walking along Green Lane, crossing Drump Road, from right to left in that picture. At about 17:30, so traffic heading down Drump Road to the roundabout is fairly heavy (rat run from industrial estate out to the A30). Fair amount of traffic comes from the right, and leaves the roundabout onto Drump Lane. Minimal traffic entering or exiting the roundabout from Green Lane on the left of the pic, so cars coming from Green Lane on the right and going into Drump Road often don't slow down at all.

When I do the return journey at 21:30, it's a lot easier to see any cars, plus there are a lot less of them.

Further up Green Lane (to the right) is a 20 limit, with plenty of speed humps. Simple solution would be to just extend this down to the roundabout

Can't be nice. I would get together with other locals to raise a petition for a proper light controlled crossing in Drump Lane close to but no on top of the roundabout.

[clockworks]

Fortunately I don't live in the area, just there twice a week for college stuff until June.
Knowing how strapped for cash local authorities are, I don't suppose they would do anything until there's a bad accident.

[mickmcpaddy]

Seen as this thread is about roundabouts I'll stick this here instead of posting a new topic, this roundabout has bugged me for years.

This is the general layout.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4418662,-2.33806...

You are coming from the top of the picture and wish to leave the motorway and go down the A6144, so you take the exit slip towards the roundabout and make a right turn.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4421747,-2.33679...

So which lane to make the right turn, my understanding is, left lane for left and straight on and right lane for right turns and straight on if its 2 lanes straight on after the roundabout as well. So in this instance there is no left turn so the left lane is straight on only and if you want to go down the A6144 then you use the right lane.

Here's the thing, straight on is a useless piece of road if you are coming in the direction I have stated, as you could stay on the motorway and take the exit just after going under the roudabout and join up with the same exit, thus avoiding going up, over and back down again, oddly enough plenty of people use the roundabout to go straight on though (you had to do it this way a few years ago before they widened the junction).

As the straight on direction is null and void then do both lanes count as a right turn lane as there are plenty of people using the left lane to turn right, most don't bother to indicate either, also if they think the left lane is a for a right turn, what do they think the right lane is for.

Edited by mickmcpaddy on Saturday 14th January 11:26