You do NOT own the parking space outside your residence.

[M-SportMatt]

SS2. said:

saaby93 said:

SS2. said:

saaby93 said:

What we're talking about is where there is obstruction and specifically unnecessary obstruction..

Are 'we' ?

Earlier saaby93 said:

You don't have a right to park anywhere, and particularly repeatedly outside someones house with whom you have no business.

That'll be a good interpretation - there is no 'right'.
If you think there is a 'right' point to the piece of law that says it

Nulla poena sine lege.

Your keep referring to 'cases' and 'case law' which prove that parking lawfully outside of someone else's house with whom you have no business can / will result in penalties being imposed or your vehicle being towed. Why not simplify things for all of us by copy and pasting (or linking) those cases / relevant case law directly into this thread ?

Because he cant, he only comes up with cases of commercial vehicles, pavements or clear obstructions. Its a never ending circle of self denial

[Foliage]

This threads hilarious.

Some good points made in it. Doesn't get around the fact you can park where ever the hell you want.

[Dagnir]

Stop arguing with idiots - you can't win.

Accept that you know you're correct and move on

[Blakewater]

zed4 said:

They've since moved now. I rarely need to park on the road as we have a drive and a garage, just parked there as a one off. Obviously lovely people! I probably would have just parked elsewhere if they'd asked nicely!

Maybe they didn't have room and you prefer to say they're bad drivers who should be subservient rather than acknowledge you parked inconsiderately.

I can't understand the mentality of parking a car in someone's way if you care about your car getting damaged.

[AstonZagato]

saaby93 said:

Storer said:

Roads are not for parking on, other than for short periods. They were designed to allow horses and horse & carts to move from place to place. Horses were never stabled on the road!
Somehow it has become acceptable to see the public highway/thoroughfare as somewhere acceptable to park, especially outside a car owner's home.

Why the hell should it be free to 'keep' your car on the road. If your house has no off road parking then you should have to prove you have somewhere off-road you can leave your car when not being used before you can buy/RFL it.

I know this will not be a popular point of view but on road parking is part of the problem with congestion in towns.

Roads are highways for movement. Not free (or paid for) car parks.

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He's right though
The idea of roads was so you could get from one place to another. If you wanted to park something you did it off the road, not try to use that nice convenient surface
It's still there and can still be enforced from time to time

I believe that in Japan (or perhaps it is Tokyo) this is the case. Before you can register a car, you have to demonstrate that you have a parking spot for it.

[covboy]

Some of these need to read this thread
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...

[talksthetorque]

Nice Work

[Trabi601]

covboy said:

Some of these need to read this thread
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...

Ah, Sparkhill

Have you seen the opening sequence from 'Citizen Khan'?

[A205GTI]

This reminds me of when the OH used to commute from sevenoaks train station,

like all the other people she would park outside houses whose hedges were 8 foot tall, yet they all insisted parking on the road to stop people parking outside there property even though they had huge drives and could not see the road.

In the end they put pressure on the council with the lost revenue of parking from the train station they yellow lined the whole area for no parking between 10am and 11am monday to friday.

very strange behaviour!! typical NIMBYS.

[Wills2]

A205GTI said:

This reminds me of when the OH used to commute from sevenoaks train station,

like all the other people she would park outside houses whose hedges were 8 foot tall, yet they all insisted parking on the road to stop people parking outside there property even though they had huge drives and could not see the road.

In the end they put pressure on the council with the lost revenue of parking from the train station they yellow lined the whole area for no parking between 10am and 11am monday to friday.

very strange behaviour!! typical NIMBYS.

I can see both sides, it's not an optimal solution to litter a residential street with cars and turn it into a car park no one would really want that, but of course people have to go to work and need somewhere to park.

I wouldn't park on a street if there was a car park available I would pay to park instead, however if it was full then I'd have no option to park on that street.

But parking on a street when there is a car park provided for you that has spaces is selfish.

[twoblacklines]

I think a lot of people who post in this thread have either never driven through London or must be billionaires.

How many houses in central london do you think actually have garages or driveways?

[gareth_r]

dme123 said:

zed4 said:

I once parked on the side of the road on the opposite side of the road to someone's drive. Plenty of space for them to get out. They left a scribbled note: "don't park here you tossa" Apparently they thought they owned the road outside their house including the opposite side!

Haha, that note is a bit unnecessary but I cannot get my XJ-S off the driveway if there is a car parked opposite. That's entirely my fault for having such a stupid car though.

I have the same problem. I wouldn't mind if there was nowhere else to park in the street, but they bloody do it when there's 100+ yards of empty road that is not opposite my drive (or any other drive), or when they could easily leave a gap big enough for the width of my car.

[Markbarry1977]

twoblacklines said:

I think a lot of people who post in this thread have either never driven through London or must be billionaires.

How many houses in central london do you think actually have garages or driveways?

True but if I lived in central London I would use the public transport network. Whenever I have visited London I have found the public transport network excellent.

I probably wouldn't own a car either just rent or taxi when required.

[DonkeyApple]

covboy said:

Some of these need to read this thread
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...

Impressive set of pictures. Parking like that is really just bad manners and displays a total disregard for other people. In those cases, where the selfish require a spot of education, it would be far nicer if the cars were just taken away and put up on EBay.

[DonkeyApple]

nish81 said:

This might work well wherever you live but I live in a part of london where if i couldn't park on the road i wouldn't be able to own a car, simple as that. off-road parking just isn't widespread at all here. and I love car, so I must disagree with you

But with central London you don't really need a car.

But it's not the residents of central London causing the congestion it's the non residents. The people of central London walk past their cars every morning to take the bus or train to the office, the traffic jams are caused by people who don't actually live in London.

London congestion could be solved overnight by making non residents pay £100/day to drive inside the North or South Circulars.

[ch108]

I live in a fairly narrow street. Some houses have driveways, some do not. So its a mixture of on street parked cars, and cars in driveways.

Occasionally I see the same cars blocking my driveway. Generally relatives of various neighbours, and not usually there for long. It doesn't bother me and if I do need out, I know which neighbour to go to.

Next door to me doesn't have a car, and one of the other neighbours uses their driveway most of the time with their permission. It's all common sense really if you live in an area that wasn't designed for todays car use.

The only time I was annoyed, was when I returned home to find a car I didn't recognise parked right over my drive. So then I had the problem of finding a space nearby because they couldn't be bothered to. About half an hour later the person came back to their car. I did go out for a quiet word on that occasion as I felt it was unreasonable for them to be parked there for that long.

A neighbour blocking a drive for a short time I can sort of understand,but I don't understand why you would block a strangers drive then wander off for the best part of half an hour.

My street is a nightmare for parking so there needs to be some sort of tolerance between the neighbours and their visitors about it. Certainly not worth getting into a massive argument about.

[A205GTI]

Wills2 said:

A205GTI said:

This reminds me of when the OH used to commute from sevenoaks train station,

like all the other people she would park outside houses whose hedges were 8 foot tall, yet they all insisted parking on the road to stop people parking outside there property even though they had huge drives and could not see the road.

In the end they put pressure on the council with the lost revenue of parking from the train station they yellow lined the whole area for no parking between 10am and 11am monday to friday.

very strange behaviour!! typical NIMBYS.

I can see both sides, it's not an optimal solution to litter a residential street with cars and turn it into a car park no one would really want that, but of course people have to go to work and need somewhere to park.

I wouldn't park on a street if there was a car park available I would pay to park instead, however if it was full then I'd have no option to park on that street.

But parking on a street when there is a car park provided for you that has spaces is selfish.

Yes but the car park was £12.00 per day so people didnt want to pay it, not saying its right but in sevenoaksd the roads were huge there were no problems, but due to the price of teh properties they got upset, if it was bentleys parking im sure they wouldnt mind but 10-15 year old cars they seemed to take umbridge with.,

[talksthetorque]

DonkeyApple said:

nish81 said:

This might work well wherever you live but I live in a part of london where if i couldn't park on the road i wouldn't be able to own a car, simple as that. off-road parking just isn't widespread at all here. and I love car, so I must disagree with you

But with central London you don't really need a car.

But it's not the residents of central London causing the congestion it's the non residents. The people of central London walk past their cars every morning to take the bus or train to the office, the traffic jams are caused by people who don't actually live in London.

London congestion could be solved overnight by making non residents pay £100/day to drive inside the North or South Circulars.

And drive any business that requires service from other businesses outside London out of London.
How do all the supplies get to the shops?
One of two things would happen.
All the prices of goods would go up in the £100 zone
All businesses that supplied Central London would have a PO Box "Office" in Central London where they register their vehicles - and congestion would not change one bit.

Edited by talksthetorque on Sunday 19th February 21:20

[DonkeyApple]

talksthetorque said:

DonkeyApple said:

nish81 said:

This might work well wherever you live but I live in a part of london where if i couldn't park on the road i wouldn't be able to own a car, simple as that. off-road parking just isn't widespread at all here. and I love car, so I must disagree with you

But with central London you don't really need a car.

But it's not the residents of central London causing the congestion it's the non residents. The people of central London walk past their cars every morning to take the bus or train to the office, the traffic jams are caused by people who don't actually live in London.

London congestion could be solved overnight by making non residents pay £100/day to drive inside the North or South Circulars.

And drive any business that requires service from other businesses outside London out of London.
How do all the supplies get to the shops?
One of two things would happen.
All the prices of goods would go up in the £100 zone
All businesses that supplied Central London would have a PO Box "Office" in Central London where they register their vehicles - and congestion would not change one bit.

Edited by talksthetorque on Sunday 19th February 21:20

We are fundamentally looking at commuters here as opposed to delivery/working vehicles. The roads into central London are clogged with private cars from outside. Just replace them with buses. Besides, where is the economy harm in migrating business out to the regions? Moving wealth and people out while removing growth from London housing would be a benefit to everyone in reality.

[llewop]

DonkeyApple said:

We are fundamentally looking at commuters here as opposed to delivery/working vehicles. The roads into central London are clogged with private cars from outside.

I don't think that is the case: whenever I've been into London (in a car or on foot) the majority of traffic in the centre, particularly inside the congestion charging zone is a mixture of buses, taxis, vans, motorbike couriers and lorries. Yes, some private cars, but far from the majority.

As someone has already commented: in London use public transport - we had lunch in Oxford with a friend yesterday, she lives in London and said she'd not used her car for 3 weeks prior to driving out to meet us. But London is a different case to the rest of the country, probably even to other cities.