You do NOT own the parking space outside your residence.

[DonkeyApple]

llewop said:

DonkeyApple said:

We are fundamentally looking at commuters here as opposed to delivery/working vehicles. The roads into central London are clogged with private cars from outside.

I don't think that is the case: whenever I've been into London (in a car or on foot) the majority of traffic in the centre, particularly inside the congestion charging zone is a mixture of buses, taxis, vans, motorbike couriers and lorries. Yes, some private cars, but far from the majority.

It really isn't. What you may have noticed is that by about 10am the core rush hour is over and so the bulk of the traffic moving around is commercial vehicles until the office clear out begins at about 4pm but you look at all the arteries in and out and it's private cars of non Londoners that create the congestion. And the majority of those cars have just one person in them. If they really wanted to clean the air rather than raise taxes by far the most logical thing to do would be to stop non residents from being able to drive into central London. Somewhat radical but if the air is so polluted as to be killing the people who live there and if this pollution is from car fumes then stopping non residents from driving in cars that are killing residents just seems the logical fix.

[herewego]

Are there incentives for business to move well away from London? If not wouldn't it be a good idea?

[Trabi601]

herewego said:

Are there incentives for business to move well away from London? If not wouldn't it be a good idea?

Unbelievably, we're going the other way - closing offices and centralising in a couple of London tower blocks.

[fido]

A205GTI said:

Yes but the car park was £12.00 per day so people didnt want to pay it, not saying its right but in sevenoaksd the roads were huge there were no problems

I have the opposite problem with commuters - they take up all the spare spaces and I will park my car (soon to be cars) outside if I have visitors so they can use my driveway. Some of the commuters don't return to their car until 7/8 pm. I doubt most of the residents are doing it out of selfishness or because they look down on the commuters choice of car - actually a huge Bentley would p1ss me right off . No sympathy from me. So you want to avoid paying £15 at the station? Well pay me £10 a day and i will let you park down my road ..

[SystemParanoia]

http://www.gardenlaw.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=...

[DonkeyApple]

herewego said:

Are there incentives for business to move well away from London? If not wouldn't it be a good idea?

Not really. The huge benefits simply make the rents and staff costs viable. The back office operations that can be moved to the regions probably have done so by now. I think it would take large tax incentives to seriously force enterprises that could operate away from London to do so but then you probably just end up shifting the congestion problems to other cities far less capable of coping. You'd probably have to build a new Canary Wharf strategically between a group of Northern cities (no residential just office space and serviced by direct trains from the cities and shuttles from large car parks etc) to do it properly. However the social benefits of de populating London by halting Northern economic migration along with the massive uplift in spending power being shifted to the North would be considerable.

The truth is that London is pretty much at capacity and that the regions are severely under utilised other than the highly efficient draining of high end manpower. But if London is to continue on its current long term path and if air and noise pollution are serious issues then you can see the logic in forcing change on private car users. Sadly.

[covboy]

Good old Brum - again

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...

[Monkeylegend]

herewego said:

Are there incentives for business to move well away from London? If not wouldn't it be a good idea?

HS2.

[herewego]

Monkeylegend said:

herewego said:

Are there incentives for business to move well away from London? If not wouldn't it be a good idea?

HS2.

That's the opposite isn't it? Isn't HS2 just to enable more Midlands residents to commute into London?

[Monkeylegend]

herewego said:

Monkeylegend said:

herewego said:

Are there incentives for business to move well away from London? If not wouldn't it be a good idea?

HS2.

That's the opposite isn't it? Isn't HS2 just to enable more Midlands residents to commute into London?

That's what will probably happen but the intention is for the reverse scenario.

[DonkeyApple]

Monkeylegend said:

herewego said:

Monkeylegend said:

herewego said:

Are there incentives for business to move well away from London? If not wouldn't it be a good idea?

HS2.

That's the opposite isn't it? Isn't HS2 just to enable more Midlands residents to commute into London?

That's what will probably happen but the intention is for the reverse scenario.

I think that is the most likely result. It may alleviate some housing pressure as new employees have the additional option of living further out of London but unless it's delivery is coupled with very serious incentives for employers to move roles to the North then you really aren't likely to get people opting to live in very high cost London but work in the lower paid North. The basic economics of England mean that all HS2 will do is transport even more people into London.

[disastra98]

I know I do own the space outside my house but I find this to be unacceptable parking making getting off the drive a little awkward.



Until recently it would be parked like this but the other way around. Have had a polite word a couple of times with chap
and to be fair he did seem reasonable and did start to park better but over a few days it goes back to this.

So is it causing an obstruction like somebody posted earlier in the thread or is legally parked and therefore cannot be
causing an obstruction as somebody else suggested.

Edited by disastra98 on Monday 13th March 15:59

[M-SportMatt]

disastra98 said:

I know I do own the space outside my house but I find this to be unacceptable parking making getting off the drive a little awkward.



Until recently it would be parked like this but the other way around. Have had a polite word a couple of times with chap
and to be fair he did seem reasonable and did start to park better but over a few days it goes back to this.

So is it causing an obstruction like somebody posted earlier in the thread or is legally parked and therefore cannot be
causing an obstruction as somebody else suggested.

Edited by disastra98 on Monday 13th March 15:59

IMO that's irritating but not an obstruction, it's not stopping you getting on and off.

If you had reversed onto your drive too so you drive out forwards like you should do then it wouldn't be that difficult to drive out.

If it was a regular stopper id query with the owner why its not outside his own house and point out its awkward for you. Not much else you can do really

[SS2.]

Inconvenient, perhaps - but certainly not impossible.

Looks like life could be a lot easier if you reversed into your driveway.

disastra98 said:

I know I do own the space outside my house..

How did you manage to acquire it ?

[disastra98]

Does reversing onto my drive make the van that bit more transparent and thereby making it easier to see and traffic coming?

That is the bit that is worrying me the most, if I hit something coming off my drive it will be my fault, Which way around the my car
is coming off the drive will not change this, at some point I am pulling out blind into the road.

[SS2.]

disastra98 said:

Does reversing onto my drive make the van that bit more transparent and thereby making it easier to see and traffic coming?

Exiting front end first would mean you could stop short of the van and look along the footway side to check for cars approaching from your right.

disastra98 said:

That is the bit that is worrying me the most, if I hit something coming off my drive it will be my fault, Which way around the my car
is coming off the drive will not change this, at some point I am pulling out blind into the road.

A lot less if you come out forwards, IMHO.

[M-SportMatt]

disastra98 said:

Does reversing onto my drive make the van that bit more transparent and thereby making it easier to see and traffic coming?

That is the bit that is worrying me the most, if I hit something coming off my drive it will be my fault, Which way around the my car
is coming off the drive will not change this, at some point I am pulling out blind into the road.

No but you'd turn left and then turn round where safe.....just as if there was a big tree growing where the van has parked.

If you think coming off in reverse is just as safe as forwards then i suggest some sort of mental health assessment or at least a driving refresher course.

[the wicker man]

disastra98 said:

I know I do own the space outside my house but I find this to be unacceptable parking making getting off the drive a little awkward.



Until recently it would be parked like this but the other way around. Have had a polite word a couple of times with chap
and to be fair he did seem reasonable and did start to park better but over a few days it goes back to this.

So is it causing an obstruction like somebody posted earlier in the thread or is legally parked and therefore cannot be
causing an obstruction as somebody else suggested.

Edited by disastra98 on Monday 13th March 15:59

wow that could be my house everyday for the last 4 years & my twit of a neighbor next door who parks his van just like that next to the end of my drive making it almost impossible to see out of the drive or turn left out of my drive (narrow road) ive asked him countless times to park nicer but to no avail

i now make it my mission in my beat up run around car to have a good crack everytime i go anywhere to take the side off his fking van

[disastra98]

Cheers M-Sportmatt for kindly pointing out that him parking like this is to teach me a lesson on the dangers of
parking badly on my drive.

My mental issues aside you assume the car goes in this way for ease, What if the passenger has mobility issues and
if the car is reversed in then the door could not be fully opened so they could get out.

The original query was cannot legally parked still be an obstruction not am I a knob for parking on my drive incorrectly.

It's not my space, I do not own it I have no claim to it. Just asking for a little bit of consideration that is all.

[egor110]

the wicker man said:

wow that could be my house everyday for the last 4 years & my twit of a neighbor next door who parks his van just like that next to the end of my drive making it almost impossible to see out of the drive or turn left out of my drive (narrow road) ive asked him countless times to park nicer but to no avail

i now make it my mission in my beat up run around car to have a good crack everytime i go anywhere to take the side off his fking van

Of course you do.

So how many times have you hit his van then?