You do NOT own the parking space outside your residence.

[zed4]

They've since moved now. I rarely need to park on the road as we have a drive and a garage, just parked there as a one off. Obviously lovely people! I probably would have just parked elsewhere if they'd asked nicely!

[zed4]

Monkeylegend said:

zed4 said:

I once parked on the side of the road on the opposite side of the road to someone's drive. Plenty of space for them to get out. They left a scribbled note: "don't park here you tossa" Apparently they thought they owned the road outside their house including the opposite side!

I would do a drive past at 05.00 in the morning in the Griff.

[M-SportMatt]

saaby93 said:

I cant find the relevant thread right now but this one might do for starters

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

If its deemed to be an obstruction (unneccessary in s130) its gone

No it isn't, never has been and never will be.

[twoblacklines]

MarshPhantom said:

How do you know Southwark won't issue one?

Several sources, this PDF most pertinent.

pdf said said:

Traffic issues
53 The Transportation Team have assessed the proposed development and have
provided assessment on the following matters.
54 As existing, due to site constraints no car parking has been provided within the
application. The proposed development is located in an area with high Public
Transport Accessibility Level (PTAL) and is also located within a Controlled Parking
Zone (CPZ) and therefore this provision is considered acceptable.
55 The Transportation Team have requested that future occupiers are made exempt from
applying for parking permits given that there is a risk that the development may
increase the demand for on-street parking places
56 There is an intensification of use and the site falls within a controlled parking zone.
Therefore, in order to prevent possible overspill parking from the development, the
applicant should be informed that a planning condition will be imposed preventing
occupiers of this development being eligible for on-street parking permits.

http://moderngov.southwarksites.com/documents/s14666/Report.pdf

Different building but same scenario.

[jimmy the hat]

zed4 said:

I once parked on the side of the road on the opposite side of the road to someone's drive. Plenty of space for them to get out. They left a scribbled note: "don't park here you tossa" Apparently they thought they owned the road outside their house including the opposite side!

Streetview to establish which of you is whatever spelling of 'tosser'. I make no pre-judgement, you understand.

People do this outside my house, occasionally. It's a narrow road and makes it quite difficult to reverse on to the drive and extremely difficult to drive off. Trouble is if people need telling that it's not ideal to do this, they probably need it explaining and more than likely demonstrating. Not one of them appears to be have been capable of thinking to park across the drive of the people they're visiting. Thus not blocking anybody apart from the people who know who and where they are to ask them to move. Like I say though, if you have to tell them, you're already on a loser.

Cheers, Jim

[saaby93]

M-SportMatt said:

saaby93 said:

I cant find the relevant thread right now but this one might do for starters

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

If its deemed to be an obstruction (unneccessary in s130) its gone

No it isn't, never has been and never will be.

Look its no use keep saying no it isn't
look into the case law around that section and see what happens
Otherwise you might as well book a room for £5 with messrs python

[M-SportMatt]

saaby93 said:

Look its no use keep saying no it isn't
look into the case law around that section and see what happens
Otherwise you might as well book a room for £5 with messrs python

I don't need to look at case law

There is nothing against any law to prevent me parking overnight outside my neighbour's house if i'm not causing an obstruction.
Argue all you want, there is no case law to prove otherwise, i have produced links to the Highways act, House of Commons document and a police procedures document supporting this, if you think case law says otherwise, be my guest, either post it up or pipe down.

I'll also warrant that in any case you do manage to find there will be another factor at play other than a simple situation where an individual has parked his car without obstruction outside a house not belonging to them.

Eagerly awaiting the case.......

[Welshbeef]

How much is the permit?

[SS2.]

saaby93 said:

look into the case law around that section and see what happens

It might save a lot of to-ing and fro-ing if you post the link to the case law you keep referring to.

[Mandalore]

I have always found it a little disturbing, that some people seem to have a collective wk over their parking outside another persons house.


Nobody owns the space outside their house, not the per who lives their NOR the little prick down the road with too may cars and an over inflated sense of importance.

[Welshbeef]

Mandalore said:

I have always found it a little disturbing, that some people seem to have a collective wk over their parking outside another persons house.


Nobody owns the space outside their house, not the per who lives their NOR the little prick down the road with too may cars and an over inflated sense of importance.

But you can though - pay what is it £250/£1k for a drop down kerb and guess what that space is your forever as no one can park in front of a drop down.

[*Al*]

Welshbeef said:

Mandalore said:

I have always found it a little disturbing, that some people seem to have a collective wk over their parking outside another persons house.


Nobody owns the space outside their house, not the per who lives their NOR the little prick down the road with too may cars and an over inflated sense of importance.

But you can though - pay what is it £250/£1k for a drop down kerb and guess what that space is your forever as no one can park in front of a drop down.

I believe you are incorrect? You can park in front of a drop kerb as long as you allow access when needed, you never own the drop kerb only the right of access. I may be wrong but thought this was the case.

[Welshbeef]

*Al* said:

Welshbeef said:

Mandalore said:

I have always found it a little disturbing, that some people seem to have a collective wk over their parking outside another persons house.


Nobody owns the space outside their house, not the per who lives their NOR the little prick down the road with too may cars and an over inflated sense of importance.

But you can though - pay what is it £250/£1k for a drop down kerb and guess what that space is your forever as no one can park in front of a drop down.

I believe you are incorrect? You can park in front of a drop kerb as long as you allow access when needed, you never own the drop kerb only the right of access. I may be wrong but thought this was the case.

But practically speaking let's say I have a drop down and you find the only space is that space. Unknowninf to you we have to get to the airport at 2:30am so we get up last minute rush out to the car to find a vehicle parked up in fromt of our car and a cr we have no idea who owns it (no notice left in windscreen). Or let's say note left so I run over to the house and ring the door bell and again and again but your fast asleep and the battery on the ringer is flat I knock the door very hard but to no avail.
As we left it so late to get up and go no taxi is available so you have caused us to miss our holiday.

Or let's say we come home early hours of he morning kids in the car fast asleep turn into he road no parking anywhere and to our horror someone has parked in front of our drip down blocking the access. What do we do?

Or let's say unknowing to you we've loads of errands and stuff to do all day so ask you to move it you do but when we come back you've parked it there again so we ask you to move it you do and we flag up we're going to be in and out loads today. But no spaces for you to park anywhere so we keep ringing your bell frankly this will piss you off yet that's not our fault nor our concern.

It's basically unworkable

[Mr_Yogi]

Welshbeef said:

But practically speaking let's say I have a drop down and you find the only space is that space. Unknowninf to you we have to get to the airport at 2:30am so we get up last minute rush out to the car to find a vehicle parked up in fromt of our car and a cr we have no idea who owns it (no notice left in windscreen). Or let's say note left so I run over to the house and ring the door bell and again and again but your fast asleep and the battery on the ringer is flat I knock the door very hard but to no avail.
As we left it so late to get up and go no taxi is available so you have caused us to miss our holiday.

Or let's say we come home early hours of he morning kids in the car fast asleep turn into he road no parking anywhere and to our horror someone has parked in front of our drip down blocking the access. What do we do?

Or let's say unknowing to you we've loads of errands and stuff to do all day so ask you to move it you do but when we come back you've parked it there again so we ask you to move it you do and we flag up we're going to be in and out loads today. But no spaces for you to park anywhere so we keep ringing your bell frankly this will piss you off yet that's not our fault nor our concern.

It's basically unworkable

You do what an old neighbor of my Mrs did; hook up a tow rope to your Unimog and drag the offending car down the road

[Welshbeef]

Mr_Yogi said:

You do what an old neighbor of my Mrs did; hook up a tow rope to your Unimog and drag the offending car down the road

Not if blocked in you don't!

[saaby93]

M-SportMatt said:

There is nothing against any law to prevent me parking overnight outside my neighbour's house if i'm not causing an obstruction.

Doh!
If there's no obstruction then the law we're talking about doesn't come into play
But if you look in page 8 of that gov paper you posted
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/docum...
you'll see some case law about other people who thought they weren't causing an obstruction. There's only a page of it there.
You've got a few things for and against
First up if you've parked in the road and no one minds then who's to know about it?
You'll have to park in a place that's annoying someone for it to go further
then you have discretion
The police dont take everyone to court for every misdemeanour
they can either explain to the people complaining it's not really an obstruction and possibly better things to do
or they'll speak to the person (allegedly) causing an instruction asking them to move it
Thats usually enough for it to move and we wont hear any more
If it doesnt and the obstruction is thought serious enough the vehicle gets towed - as you saw in the previous PH link
Otherwise it goes before the mags and they have to decide whether or not they think its unlawful

Then it can go to a higher court and you see the case law

Now if you are parking outside your neighbours and causing an obstruction, when you could be parking somewhere else ........

Edited by saaby93 on Thursday 16th February 21:24

[*Al*]

Welshbeef said:

*Al* said:

Welshbeef said:

Mandalore said:

I have always found it a little disturbing, that some people seem to have a collective wk over their parking outside another persons house.


Nobody owns the space outside their house, not the per who lives their NOR the little prick down the road with too may cars and an over inflated sense of importance.

But you can though - pay what is it £250/£1k for a drop down kerb and guess what that space is your forever as no one can park in front of a drop down.

I believe you are incorrect? You can park in front of a drop kerb as long as you allow access when needed, you never own the drop kerb only the right of access. I may be wrong but thought this was the case.

But practically speaking let's say I have a drop down and you find the only space is that space. Unknowninf to you we have to get to the airport at 2:30am so we get up last minute rush out to the car to find a vehicle parked up in fromt of our car and a cr we have no idea who owns it (no notice left in windscreen). Or let's say note left so I run over to the house and ring the door bell and again and again but your fast asleep and the battery on the ringer is flat I knock the door very hard but to no avail.
As we left it so late to get up and go no taxi is available so you have caused us to miss our holiday.

Or let's say we come home early hours of he morning kids in the car fast asleep turn into he road no parking anywhere and to our horror someone has parked in front of our drip down blocking the access. What do we do?

Or let's say unknowing to you we've loads of errands and stuff to do all day so ask you to move it you do but when we come back you've parked it there again so we ask you to move it you do and we flag up we're going to be in and out loads today. But no spaces for you to park anywhere so we keep ringing your bell frankly this will piss you off yet that's not our fault nor our concern.

It's basically unworkable

Generally speaking most people have the sense not to park across a dropped kerb so I know what you're trying to say, I'm stating what I seem to remember is the legality of a dropped kerb.
I've had people park directly across my dropped kerb blocking access, to be fair it's very rare but hugely annoying.

[Skyedriver]

My front street is very narrow at around 4500mm. There are a number of houses with driveways off it including ours. When neighbours get visitors they usually park on the road with two wheels on the footway. OK not good but what really gets my goat is the number of people who park opposite our drive or a little offset from it.
I CANNOT GET IN OR OUT OF MY DRIVE WITH YOU PARKED THERE!
I have fallen out with nearly everyone in the street due to their visitors parking inconsiderately.

[Welshbeef]

Skyedriver said:

My front street is very narrow at around 4500mm. There are a number of houses with driveways off it including ours. When neighbours get visitors they usually park on the road with two wheels on the footway. OK not good but what really gets my goat is the number of people who park opposite our drive or a little offset from it.
I CANNOT GET IN OR OUT OF MY DRIVE WITH YOU PARKED THERE!
I have fallen out with nearly everyone in the street due to their visitors parking inconsiderately.

I know what you mean - and it might even just be a few inches which prevent access which in turn pisses them off thinking and sharing with the street residences you've a right one on this street

[sutts]

Mandalore said:

Nobody owns the space outside their house, not the per who lives their NOR the little prick down the road with too may cars and an over inflated sense of importance.

I do - I own the pavement and the road in front of my house and garden, up to the fence line on the other side of the road.

It's a private/unadopted road about 50 metres long. The downside to that is my neighbours and I are responsible for the upkeep, and a couple of years we got together and paid for the road to be properly resurfaced (about £1200 each).

Understandably (I hope), I am now quite picky about who can park on my property and am happy to politely shift those that attempt to do so without permission.