You do NOT own the parking space outside your residence.

You do NOT own the parking space outside your residence.

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talksthetorque

10,815 posts

135 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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Cold said:
There doesn't seem to be enough space for a wheelchair or even a pushchair to get through that gap.
I can't see a wheelchair or pushchair trying to get through, maybe your eyesight's better than mine.
But it looks like there is room to get one down the side of the Peugeot.
The front of the Peugeot is about half a car width further out than the back of the van.
Perhaps they are parked like that to try and let emergency services vehicles to get down the pedestrianised area.


Cold

15,244 posts

90 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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talksthetorque said:
I can't see a wheelchair or pushchair trying to get through, maybe your eyesight's better than mine.
But it looks like there is room to get one down the side of the Peugeot.
The front of the Peugeot is about half a car width further out than the back of the van.
Perhaps they are parked like that to try and let emergency services vehicles to get down the pedestrianised area.
There doesn't seem to be an emergency vehicle trying to get through. Maybe your eyesight is better than mine.
In the fraction of a second that the camera took the photo no person and no blue light vehicle were in frame. Doesn't mean that no obstruction is taking place.

creampuff

6,511 posts

143 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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Cold said:
There doesn't seem to be enough space for a wheelchair or even a pushchair to get through that gap.
You can wheel the pushchair over the bonnet while the kids walk over the bonnet.

talksthetorque

10,815 posts

135 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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Cold said:
There doesn't seem to be an emergency vehicle trying to get through. Maybe your eyesight is better than mine.
In the fraction of a second that the camera took the photo no person and no blue light vehicle were in frame. Doesn't mean that no obstruction is taking place.
I think we agree that it's a st picture that tells us fk all smile
beer

helix402

7,859 posts

182 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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The Ford is probably illegal anyway. Look at the lovely bumper.

David87

6,654 posts

212 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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What do we think to this then? Mine is the driveway, the two cars in question are there most of the time and make getting on / off the driveway a PITA. I bought the house as a short-term place and am moving house soon so not overly bothered, but it's super annoying, especially considering the Fiesta has a space around the corner they don't use. Don't really have an issue with the Astra as they have three cars and don't have much choice other than to park there.

For reference, the only way in or out is in the direction of the Astra and the road is quite narrow. Might not be that clear from the photos. Obviously nothing can be done in this situation (have had a word with the Fiesta owner and they don't seem to get it - they seem to have some OCD thing about parking right outside their house), but it's still annoying and having to shunt your car back and forwards to get on or off your own driveway is quite irritating. Houses opposite are council, so frozen sausages etc. may not work. hehe



Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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How do they empty the bins?

You could start to get grocery deliveries they will get those cars moved continuously which will puss them off.
However I guess you'll be driving on the pavement until he house is sold.

I guess the sole way to formally fix it is to request from the highways agency that it needs to be double yellow.

llewop

3,588 posts

211 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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Is the nearer strip a footpath? If so how are either of them NOT blocking the road?

Riley Blue

20,953 posts

226 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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How the hell did that get planning approval?

rambo19

2,740 posts

137 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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Riley Blue said:
How the hell did that get planning approval?
I would imagine there is some sort of rule in the deeds that there is no parking allowed on the road, but like all parking in this poxy country, who is going to enforce it?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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David87 - have you spoken to them? Telling them it's an offence to be driving on the pavement and clearly by them parking there they force you and others to do it.


OR why not when they are out move a few cars onto the spots they normally take. Ideally say over a long waster break/where you are off work for a few weeks in Antigua they will have no option but to park elsewhere. Might be worth buying a snorter and parking it next to he very tatty Firestas location.

David87

6,654 posts

212 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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It's a weird road, to be honest. The thin strip of tarmac nearest to my stones is what you would consider to be the pavement proper, in that the kerb then drops down onto the road from there, but it's odd in that it's so narrow and you'd never get a pram or something like that along it! The next part of tarmac is weird - it's road, I suppose, but due to the extremely narrow pavement, you do see people walking down it all of the time. As for why there's the grey strip down the centre, I have no idea!

You can see in the top picture that we're starting to chew up the edge of my neighbours' lawn (a shame as they're old and retired and have a very nice garden), but it's not possible to get on the drive without cutting the corner when the cars are in that position. If only one of them is there it's fine as you can just approach from whatever side is unaffected, but as I say, it's the Fiesta that's the problem as the Astra house have three cars and use their parking space around the corner.

I've spoken to the Fiesta driver twice now. The second time arose when I parked my car where he normally parks his, causing him to literally not know what to do and sit in his car at the end of the road with the engine running. When I told him I was leaving my car there, he got a bit shouty and threatened to park completely opposite my drive, at which point I told him I'd tow it out of the way and he threatened to 'go further than I ever would'. Whatever that means. rofl I'm not a powerfully-built company director, but this guy is about 20 years old and 5'5". hehe At this point his brother comes out and joins the party, so I decide it's best to sort this without too much arguing and get him to agree to park in the space around the corner that's almost always empty, but on this occasion I would move my car as the space wasn't free. He then parks where he usually does, but a couple of feet further back, which of course makes no difference.

I think the guy has some sort of OCD going on - he locks the car in a really weird way, checking all of the door handles multiple times etc. On the odd occasion that someone else has parked there, he will just wait in his car until they have left. He claims he must park outside his house because his car could be vandalised or stolen from the space around the corner, and that he finds the space difficult to get into. The car crime thing has never happened to anyone - it's a nice estate and there have been no thefts. The space is also easy to get into. During the row, the brother informs me that he too is getting a car soon, so even if one of them is in the space, there will still be a car at the end of my driveway. Since then, my wife has heard things shouted out of the windows of the house at her (from the brothers' mother) and we are generally pretty fed up living here. I would dearly love to buy a banger and leave it there, but it just causes me the same problems getting on and off the drive.

I don't want to go into full-on warfare with the people across the street as that would just make things worse, but I do have a burning desire just to smash into the side of the car every time I leave the house. Still, at least it makes for fun discussion on here. biggrin

Riley Blue

20,953 posts

226 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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I doubt it conforms to minimum footpath and road widths so I'm unsure how the highways authority during the planning stage could have recommended that layout. I'd be having a word with your councillor, say you're concerned about access for emergency vehicles and safety for pedestrians.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Well from the picture you can drive part on the pavement part on he road.

Possible solution is to get old bill round to mediate a discussion between you all. As in that old bill will be clear you driving on he pavement is not legal and dangerous and that the other two cars are blocking right of way in which case said cars will be towed away.
Do note what they said at the confrontation and report it to the police.

You could also get legal advice too and go down that route - I assume you pay £15 per year on the house policy they may deal with it within that premium.


Mentioned earlier you are looking to move I'm pretty confident anyone buying the property will certainly notice the access issues, which may turn off a number of buyers or mean a low ball price as these sorts of issues are a right PITA.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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AstonZagato said:
When I take the dog on one of its walks, I usually park in a public car park of a village. However, on a Sunday (as it is next to the church), it is occasionally full. So then (probably twice a year) I park in a little layby thing (it looks like a drive but there is no house that it leads to - just some grass verge) on a nearby road. The lady who lives opposite will always lean out and angrily tell me I can't park there as it isn't a parking space. She doesn't own it (I asked). It is a public road. She claims it is a turning space (there are two other places where one could turn far more easily). In reality, she just doesn't want my car blocking her view. I just tell her the car will be fine there and wander off.

Having lived in London, having others parking outside my house is not really an issue I understand.
Walk your dog from home.

Don't destroy the planet by driving to the start of the walk.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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The Mad Monk said:
AstonZagato said:
When I take the dog on one of its walks, I usually park in a public car park of a village. However, on a Sunday (as it is next to the church), it is occasionally full. So then (probably twice a year) I park in a little layby thing (it looks like a drive but there is no house that it leads to - just some grass verge) on a nearby road. The lady who lives opposite will always lean out and angrily tell me I can't park there as it isn't a parking space. She doesn't own it (I asked). It is a public road. She claims it is a turning space (there are two other places where one could turn far more easily). In reality, she just doesn't want my car blocking her view. I just tell her the car will be fine there and wander off.

Having lived in London, having others parking outside my house is not really an issue I understand.
Walk your dog from home.

Don't destroy the planet by driving to the start of the walk.
When you finish the walk has the church Sunday worship finished and all cars gone?

If so you might be missing the issue (unsure if there is or isn't) but getting in and out at peak times is a royal PITA and that space you have parked up in makes matters worse.

Who knows.
But yes walk the dog door to door not driving him round wink

herewego

8,814 posts

213 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Riley Blue said:
I doubt it conforms to minimum footpath and road widths so I'm unsure how the highways authority during the planning stage could have recommended that layout. I'd be having a word with your councillor, say you're concerned about access for emergency vehicles and safety for pedestrians.
There are grids(a lot of grids) at the side of the black part. This suggests to me that the black part is road and should be kept clear and the red gravel strip is for parking.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

109 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Who would even sign off on new builds like that? There appears to be no provision for parking at the houses, or on road (which is never ideal anyway even when it exists) and the pavement in front of the houses looks barely wide enough to walk down, let alone for all the lazy bds in their mobility scooters.And then the odd pavement/road on the nearest side.

zarjaz1991

3,480 posts

123 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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cmaguire said:
Who would even sign off on new builds like that? There appears to be no provision for parking at the houses, or on road (which is never ideal anyway even when it exists) and the pavement in front of the houses looks barely wide enough to walk down, let alone for all the lazy bds in their mobility scooters.And then the odd pavement/road on the nearest side.
You're missing the "new attitude" which is "people shouldn't have cars". It's part of the subtle and less than subtle attempts to prevent people owning a car.

See also - building offices to house 1000 staff but only being allowed to provide 200 parking spaces.

Everyone has to use public transport you see, because these decisions are made by people who live on excellent public transport routes, so obviously that's how it is for everyone. It isn't? Well we don't care, these people will just have to deal with it, we don't want cars in this area.

Trabi601

4,865 posts

95 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Welshbeef said:
Well from the picture you can drive part on the pavement part on he road.

Possible solution is to get old bill round to mediate a discussion between you all. As in that old bill will be clear you driving on he pavement is not legal and dangerous and that the other two cars are blocking right of way in which case said cars will be towed away.
Do note what they said at the confrontation and report it to the police.

You could also get legal advice too and go down that route - I assume you pay £15 per year on the house policy they may deal with it within that premium.


Mentioned earlier you are looking to move I'm pretty confident anyone buying the property will certainly notice the access issues, which may turn off a number of buyers or mean a low ball price as these sorts of issues are a right PITA.
What a complete waste of police time.

And getting all legal on someone over that? Absolutely ridiculous suggestion. Especially as that is one thing which *will* impact a sale, whereas a little questionable parking may not be noticed or an issue to a buyer.