You do NOT own the parking space outside your residence.

You do NOT own the parking space outside your residence.

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Riley Blue

20,955 posts

226 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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herewego said:
Riley Blue said:
I doubt it conforms to minimum footpath and road widths so I'm unsure how the highways authority during the planning stage could have recommended that layout. I'd be having a word with your councillor, say you're concerned about access for emergency vehicles and safety for pedestrians.
There are grids(a lot of grids) at the side of the black part. This suggests to me that the black part is road and should be kept clear and the red gravel strip is for parking.
I can see those and yes, they would normally be at the roadside. Here, with insufficient width for two-way traffic and footpaths, it looks like a deliberate attempt to obfuscate users and blur the roadway/footpath boundaries. There [i[should[/i] be sufficient road width for traffic travelling in opposite directions to pass, not necessarily up to HGV size but definitely cars and here this is only possible by driving on the red gravel strip. Despite it's different colour and texture, I'd guess that is part of the roadway or is intended to be. The footpaths are a joke, well below minimum dimensions.
I'd still be having a word with your councillor and invite them to have a look, they love this sort of cockup well I did, when I was one - always pleased of an opportunity to put one over on the bureaucrats at county hall... biggrin

AstonZagato

12,704 posts

210 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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The Mad Monk said:
Walk your dog from home.
Don't destroy the planet by driving to the start of the walk.
A few reasons:
  • I (and, I suspect, the dog) would get bored witless if I only walked him from home. There are only so many routes one can go safely (the roads between villages don't have footpaths)
  • I once had a dreadful accident with my dogs on one of the walks around the house that has tainted that walk and I can't bear to go that way
  • The dog was not happy going in the car (but has to do so on many occasions) so reinforcing that getting in the car leads to good things (a walk)
  • I'm only driving a mile or so (there are no footpaths to get the dog to the start safely)
Welshbeef said:
When you finish the walk has the church Sunday worship finished and all cars gone?
If so you might be missing the issue (unsure if there is or isn't) but getting in and out at peak times is a royal PITA and that space you have parked up in makes matters worse.
Who knows.
No the spot I park is on a different road to the car park. The spot obstructs nothing. Even with one large car parked there, one could use it to turn around (but you would have two or three better spots to do that anyway).
I have noticed a new resident (in a different house to the one that complains) directing their guests to park in it. That will cause some issues.

baldy1926

2,136 posts

200 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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We always have parking problems where i live.
Its a small cul de sac with enough parking, just for the houses on our street. We normally all park in the same spots as its easier all round and we know whos cars are parked up
The problem comes from 1 family in a adjoining cul de sac.
Their cul de sac involves driving further from the main road to get to their house.
From ours they can walk down a short footpath and then get into their cars and be on the main road.
They have 3 cars 2 are always parked sensibly but the wife deliberately takes up 2 parking spaces which where me and the other half parks.
She must watch for us to go out so she can park up.
When i was in hospital last year the step son asked her to move as she was blocking cars in and she flew off the handle.
By coincidence our fence was damaged a short time later.
There is parking outside their house so its all about them not wanting to drive around the estate to get to their house.

AstonZagato

12,704 posts

210 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Welshbeef said:
AstonZagato said:
When I take the dog on one of its walks, I usually park in a public car park of a village. However, on a Sunday (as it is next to the church), it is occasionally full. So then (probably twice a year) I park in a little layby thing (it looks like a drive but there is no house that it leads to - just some grass verge) on a nearby road. The lady who lives opposite will always lean out and angrily tell me I can't park there as it isn't a parking space. She doesn't own it (I asked). It is a public road. She claims it is a turning space (there are two other places where one could turn far more easily). In reality, she just doesn't want my car blocking her view. I just tell her the car will be fine there and wander off.

Having lived in London, having others parking outside my house is not really an issue I understand.
When you finish the walk has the church Sunday worship finished and all cars gone?

If so you might be missing the issue (unsure if there is or isn't) but getting in and out at peak times is a royal PITA and that space you have parked up in makes matters worse.

Who knows.
Some pictures for illustration
The Vauxhall is parked where I would park (though I park further in than he has done).
The lady who complains lives in the thatched house.
The public car park can be seen in the distance of the second shot - access is from another road.


Trabi601

4,865 posts

95 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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She's right, that's a turning place.

It may not be illegal to park there, but I'd think 'knob' if I saw someone parked there.

In fact, a Vectra C being parked there is enough of a hint that it's not the done thing.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

109 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Trabi601 said:
She's right, that's a turning place.

It may not be illegal to park there, but I'd think 'knob' if I saw someone parked there.

In fact, a Vectra C being parked there is enough of a hint that it's not the done thing.
I thought 'turning place' as soon as I saw it. Certainly not a single random parking place in that location.

sleepezy

1,802 posts

234 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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It's not a turning space - each of the houses further down the lane has it's own driveway, no one should be driving down that road unless they are going to someones house, or parking there - it is just a 'odd' space (and the start of a very nice circular walk).

I've never had to park there, always been in the car park. My only comment is that there are a couple of easier places to park in the village, or further round the walk, if you couldn't get in the car park (presume they were free at the time)

Mandalore

4,220 posts

113 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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cmaguire said:
Trabi601 said:
She's right, that's a turning place.

It may not be illegal to park there, but I'd think 'knob' if I saw someone parked there.

In fact, a Vectra C being parked there is enough of a hint that it's not the done thing.
I thought 'turning place' as soon as I saw it. Certainly not a single random parking place in that location.
Agreed. That is laid out for people needing to turn around, hence it isn't shaped like a car park space as it even has a turning curve in its design.

A parking space would have only enough space per intended number of cars. That area is too big for one car and just too small for two cars.


Id feel embarrassed parking there.

superlightr

12,856 posts

263 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Mandalore said:
Agreed. That is laid out for people needing to turn around, hence it isn't shaped like a car park space as it even has a turning curve in its design.

A parking space would have only enough space per intended number of cars. That area is too big for one car and just too small for two cars.


Id feel embarrassed parking there.
agree - it looks like a turning space. ie for bin lorries/deliveries or cars to turn rather then turn on someone's drive way. I would not feel good parking there tbh but can see the confusion although good of the lady to clarify.

talksthetorque

10,815 posts

135 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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It's there for forensics to park so they can examine the scene around the body wrapped in orange tarp.

AstonZagato

12,704 posts

210 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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sleepezy said:
It's not a turning space - each of the houses further down the lane has it's own driveway, no one should be driving down that road unless they are going to someones house, or parking there - it is just a 'odd' space (and the start of a very nice circular walk).
Correct. Plus the side turning further on.

sleepezy said:
I've never had to park there, always been in the car park. My only comment is that there are a couple of easier places to park in the village, or further round the walk, if you couldn't get in the car park (presume they were free at the time)
I think have parked there three times in the last decade - always on a Sunday (when the church goers fill the car park). I'm intrigued where else you would park? You could park on the grass by the cricket pavilion (but risk of damaging the grass), or in the car park of the pub (but I feel that is cheeky if I'm not going in), or in front of the village hall?

cmaguire

3,589 posts

109 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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AstonZagato said:
sleepezy said:
It's not a turning space - each of the houses further down the lane has it's own driveway, no one should be driving down that road unless they are going to someones house, or parking there - it is just a 'odd' space (and the start of a very nice circular walk).
Correct. Plus the side turning further on.
Somehow the assertion by the lady that lives there that 'your' parking space is actually a turning space is significantly more convincing than you and sleepezy, that don't live there and fancy parking in it.

gazza285

9,811 posts

208 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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AstonZagato said:
...where else you would park?
Somewhere where you aren't upsetting people? Parking is not a right.

AstonZagato

12,704 posts

210 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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gazza285 said:
Parking is not a right.
Really? I think it is. I have a right to park my car anywhere where it is legal and safe to park.

Storer

5,024 posts

215 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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AstonZagato said:
Really? I think it is. I have a right to park my car anywhere where it is legal and safe to park.
Plenty of room usually at the end of my drive and a couple of nice circular walks either north or south, depending on if you want level or (small) hills (it is after all Cambridgeshire).

That spot is a turning point, as the roadway turns into a green lane at the entrance to the footpath heading north. To turn round elsewhere you will need to reverse into a private driveway.

They are lovely walks and avoiding the wrath of local ladies will enhance them!!!

AstonZagato

12,704 posts

210 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Storer said:
AstonZagato said:
Really? I think it is. I have a right to park my car anywhere where it is legal and safe to park.
Plenty of room usually at the end of my drive and a couple of nice circular walks either north or south, depending on if you want level or (small) hills (it is after all Cambridgeshire).

That spot is a turning point, as the roadway turns into a green lane at the entrance to the footpath heading north. To turn round elsewhere you will need to reverse into a private driveway.

They are lovely walks and avoiding the wrath of local ladies will enhance them!!!
I do park at the end of your drive sometimes. You don't have to turn into a private driveway on that road, there is a turning (to the left) just before it turns into the green lane (after the penultimate house - the one that has just built a new garage).

Storer

5,024 posts

215 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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The turning you speak of is actually a private roadway (gravel) down to the houses at the bottom.
I am not trying to be argumentative, but get the facts out there.

All the roadways on the green are owned by the Green Charity and are not part of the public highway. Each householder who adjoins the village green pays for an access licence to their properties annually and the parish council funds the repairs to the roadways from this licence fee.

You can therefore see that the space mentioned is not for public parking, sorry!

No similar issue at the end of my drive smile

Dixy

2,921 posts

205 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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I am always looking for new dog walks, can you give us a google earth link so we can find it and give the lady a more diverse group of people to be annoyed at.

AstonZagato

12,704 posts

210 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Storer said:
The turning you speak of is actually a private roadway (gravel) down to the houses at the bottom.
I am not trying to be argumentative, but get the facts out there.

All the roadways on the green are owned by the Green Charity and are not part of the public highway. Each householder who adjoins the village green pays for an access licence to their properties annually and the parish council funds the repairs to the roadways from this licence fee.

You can therefore see that the space mentioned is not for public parking, sorry!

No similar issue at the end of my drive smile
Thanks for that. I didn't know that they are not part of the public highway. I won't park there again. It won't really affect me as I have only parked there twice in the last decade - it is rare that I'm walking the dog there at the same time as the church has a big service.

I have never been down that turning (which clearly leads to several houses), so I regarded it as a road, not a driveway.

sleepezy

1,802 posts

234 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Thanks for clarifying Storer - hadn't realised it was private, but equally had never driven down there so hadn't really been on my mind.

AZ - I would park either behind the village hall (never had to but wouldn't have any qualms given our village hall car park is used by all and sundry, quite rightly), but actually tend to park on the gravel near the farm entrance on the 90 deg corner further down the road if the normal car park is full - however, if you've never walked down the road you pictured you probably don't do the same walk as me!