New car tax rules
Discussion
jith said:
TooMany2cvs said:
jith said:
I'm sorry old son, but you'll have to explain to me how an optional extra, unless it's a differnet engine, can change the CO2 level
Weight. Aerodynamics. Rolling resistance. Gearing.It's much more common than you'd expect for CO2 to be affected by options, especially wheel and tyre choice, or anything that adds significantly to weight, like a pano roof.
They will also re-programme the ECU to keep the readings within the desired parameters; the VW history is how wicked they get in doing so, and they were the unfortunates that were caught; they are all at it.
Have a look at http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/search-new-or-use... and search for new 2017 E-class estates.
E200d w/ 17" - 109g/B
E200d w/ 18" - 112g/C
E200d w/ 19" - 120g/C
E200d w/ 20" - 120g/C
E350d w/ 17" - 140g/E
E350d w/ 18" - 143g/F
E350d w/ 19" - 151g/G
E350d w/ 20" - 151g/G
Or go and play with various brand's configs.
jith said:
Not so. The CO2 figures, which as we all know are utter nonsense, are acquired under strict test conditions and are not real world. The manufacturer will not do anything to jeopardise these and will not, for example offer a wheel/tyre combination that would significantly alter these readings.
I was looking at a C-class as a company car. Mercedes clearly showed in the brochure that a different wheel/tyre combo did change the VED Band. Seen it for other manufacturers as well. Wider tyres will generally increase CO2 because there is more rolling resistance.jith said:
Gavia said:
Mill Wheel said:
Apparently it is a Band C 114 gms/km, which the .gov site link GSALT provided says £30.
I took a look for ALL the FR models, and there is only one which is not either B or C group, and that is a G group, £145 a year.
I had already presumed that the dealer, selling the vehicle new in November 2015 would be certain of the group, so it looks like the DVLA have been in error.
I'll see if I can get a look at the renewal and the V5, and make sure the error isn't there.
Optional extras can take one model of car from one band to another. I know DVLA bashing is all the rage on here, but it'd be great to see the V5 and get closure on this rather than it just fade away if it's user error, rather than DVLA error. I took a look for ALL the FR models, and there is only one which is not either B or C group, and that is a G group, £145 a year.
I had already presumed that the dealer, selling the vehicle new in November 2015 would be certain of the group, so it looks like the DVLA have been in error.
I'll see if I can get a look at the renewal and the V5, and make sure the error isn't there.
J
Many thanks to the others for their comments and examples.
jith said:
They will also re-programme the ECU to keep the readings within the desired parameters; the VW history is how wicked they get in doing so, and they were the unfortunates that were caught; they are all at it.
J
I see that Fiat-Chrysler are the latest in the States to have been accused of using similar software to VW, along with Mazda.J
Mill Wheel said:
...My very first transport back in 1978 - a honda C50 "step through" - was described as a moped, despite not having pedals of any description, and caused me no end of trouble when I had to produce my documents because I was riding with a passenger after I had passed my car test which at that time gave you moped entitlement!...
The definition of a moped was changed in 1977 from "50cc with pedals" to "50cc and max of 30mph". Your local plod were obviously not up to date.
Mill Wheel said:
We had a Peugeot that was described as blue by the V5, but was Silver.
It wasn't even one of those very very pale metallic blues, and the manufacturers description was "Peugeot Silver".
My very first transport back in 1978 - a honda C50 "step through" was described as a moped, despite not having pedals of any description, and caused me no end of trouble when I had to produce my documents because I was riding with a passenger after I had passed my car test which at that time gave you Moped entitlement!
I have asked my friend to see if I can see the V5 or a copy.
BTW what is wrong with fiend's friends on this forum? Can't they pick up a keyboard and post the query themselves? Then the rest of us wouldn't have to keep asking questions of people who don't know the answers!
gareth_r said:
The definition of a moped was changed in 1977 from "50cc with pedals" to "50cc and max of 30mph". Your local plod were obviously not up to date.
The C50 would manage 40 mph - 45 if you were going downhill and kept your head down... so with hindsight they were right, but the DVLA had mislead me!It was the restricted FS1Es and their like which had pedals that folded up that were classed as mopeds even though they looked (and were) motorcycles - and every month some motorcycle magazine or other would publish detail about how to overcome the restriction!
The Mad Monk said:
But surely your friend won't have the V5, because it is the friend's friend who has the query.
BTW what is wrong with fiend's friends on this forum? Can't they pick up a keyboard and post the query themselves? Then the rest of us wouldn't have to keep asking questions of people who don't know the answers!
Yes, but I don't know her friend to speak to, so I can only ask my friend if I can see a copy or arrange to see the original.BTW what is wrong with fiend's friends on this forum? Can't they pick up a keyboard and post the query themselves? Then the rest of us wouldn't have to keep asking questions of people who don't know the answers!
Friends friend was resigned to paying the £130 until the local paper published the new rules, and it reminded her to worry over it again.
I can't see either of them posting on PH! They both hate reversing and driving at night!
KevinCamaroSS said:
Mill Wheel said:
I see that Fiat-Chrysler are the latest in the States to have been accused of using similar software to VW, along with Mazda.
Along with all manufacturers everywhere.
Edit to add, I can't believe someone seriously thinks they have grounds to return a car a year after purchase because the VED is £110 a year more expensive than they thought. Is "only" a little over a tenner a month really the biggest concern when it comes to car running costs?!
Edited by aka_kerrly on Friday 20th January 19:51
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