EU National left the UK family member left with FPN

EU National left the UK family member left with FPN

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surveyor_101

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178 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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A friend of mine who is a Czech and has a UK licence and lives and works here etc has received a speeding ticket FNP for his younger brother who just before xmas cancelled his Bank Acc in the UK and moved his life back to Czech. He was working for a company and drove a works van. Mt friends brother holds a Czech licence only. He had spent the last 6 months or so living at my friend’s home having given up his rented property.

My friends brother won’t deal with the Ticket and doesn’t care now he lives back home. My friend is 7 years older but has the same initials and is concerned about the ticket hanging over address with same initials. Since the ticket has come to his address but is not associated with a vehicle my friend drives what would be the best course of action for my friend to take since his younger brother will not deal with the ticket.



Should he write to the police and state that he is no longer in the country?

What would happen if you he gave the Czech address of his brother for them to pursue him? I assume a ghost DVLA record would be established against his brother’s name?

If the younger brother returned to the UK in the future what would happen if the ticket was left unanswered?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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surveyor_101 said:
Should he write to the police and state that he is no longer in the country?
Yep, of course he should name the driver - and give the CZ address.

But I wouldn't be surprised if they investigate further, not least by looking for proof he was a named driver on the insurance, for a start.

surveyor_101

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Friday 20th January 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Yep, of course he should name the driver - and give the CZ address.

But I wouldn't be surprised if they investigate further, not least by looking for proof he was a named driver on the insurance, for a start.
The van was a company van and the company have named the driver at his last know address. I am sure they will prove insurance big company.

My friend would be naming this same driver but in Czech.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

116 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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surveyor_101 said:
A friend of mine
Can't your friend operate a keyboard?

Sheepshanks

32,528 posts

118 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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surveyor_101 said:
... with same initials.
That's unfortunate.

surveyor_101 said:
My friend would be naming this same driver but in Czech.
Surely it's already past the naming part? Now it's just a matter of passing on his new address.

Mill Wheel

6,149 posts

195 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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Presumably the company will be able to confirm that your friend is not the driver they employed?

In which case it will not be his problem - the company were asked to name the driver - he hasn't.

surveyor_101

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178 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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He is a big brother not sure he wants to give the addrsss in Czech. If he doesn't what are his options?

Should he ignore or contact the police and tell them the truth his brother has gone back. He. Would be aditting he opened the post.

He doesn't want it hanging over his house he said plus he is worried they are both jb.

Edited by surveyor_101 on Friday 20th January 21:50

surveyor_101

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Friday 20th January 2017
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Mill Wheel said:
Presumably the company will be able to confirm that your friend is not the driver they employed?

In which case it will not be his problem - the company were asked to name the driver - he hasn't.
They both work for the same company but my friend is a manager in the headoffice and his brother worked on site for another manager.

My friend doesn't drive vans he has a company car.

The company know the driver has gone back to Czech and can confirm. The compna sectory just did their bit in naming the driver. The ticket came in like the day after the driver finished with the company.

Red Devil

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207 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
surveyor_101 said:
Should he write to the police and state that he is no longer in the country?
Yep, of course he should name the driver - and give the CZ address.
The FPN is not addressed to the UK resident brother so there is no obligation on him to do anything at all. Whether it would be sensible for him to involve himself in the issue of his sibling's misdeeds is a different question.

TooMany2cvs said:
But I wouldn't be surprised if they investigate further, not least by looking for proof he was a named driver on the insurance, for a start.
If he does, this is pretty much a given as it will be an automatic red flag to the police/SCP. The insurance issue is nothing to do with him. That is a matter for the company whose vehicle the brother was driving to deal with as and when it comes to it.

surveyor_101 said:
Mill Wheel said:
Presumably the company will be able to confirm that your friend is not the driver they employed?

In which case it will not be his problem - the company were asked to name the driver - he hasn't.
They both work for the same company but my friend is a manager in the headoffice and his brother worked on site for another manager.

My friend doesn't drive vans he has a company car.

The company know the driver has gone back to Czech and can confirm. The compna sectory just did their bit in naming the driver. The ticket came in like the day after the driver finished with the company.
If the resident brother does get in touch with whoever issued the FPN then it would be very much in his interests to get the company to provide that confirmation in writing and attach it to any letter he writes.

If the police/CPS don't drop it then, because the other brother only has a Czech licence, the DVLA will create a ghost GB licence on which to put the points. This might well become apparent if he subsequently returns to the UK and get pinged again.


Tomo1971

1,127 posts

156 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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surveyor_101 said:
A friend of mine who is a Czech and has a UK licence and lives and works here etc has received a speeding ticket FNP for his younger brother who just before xmas cancelled his Bank Acc in the UK and moved his life back to Czech. He was working for a company and drove a works van. Mt friends brother holds a Czech licence only. He had spent the last 6 months or so living at my friend’s home having given up his rented property.
Why has your friend received a ticket for his brother? do you mean the FPN has arrived in the post addressed to his brother? If so, just do like any one else - send back as 'Not known at this address'. It will then get back to the company who furnished that address for them to provide the correct one. They can (with your and your friends help) furnish the address in Czech. The UK resident brother should have nothing to do with replying to the FPN, it will just confuse matters.

surveyor_101 said:
My friends brother won’t deal with the Ticket and doesn’t care now he lives back home. My friend is 7 years older but has the same initials and is concerned about the ticket hanging over address with same initials. Since the ticket has come to his address but is not associated with a vehicle my friend drives what would be the best course of action for my friend to take since his younger brother will not deal with the ticket.


This is why he shouldnt get involved, let his younger brother AND the company deal with it - the company, been the keeper of the vehicle have a legal duty. If UK resident brother gets involved it will look far too suspicious to the police. Naming a non-UK resident is quite a popular ruse and the police are well versed with it, although this does seem legitimate in this instance, the police wont know that until they investigate, UK brother sticking their nose in now will not help.



surveyor_101 said:
Should he write to the police and state that he is no longer in the country?
No, why would he, letter not addressed to him.

surveyor_101 said:
What would happen if you he gave the Czech address of his brother for them to pursue him? I assume a ghost DVLA record would be established against his brother’s name?
- Yes



surveyor_101

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Sunday 22nd January 2017
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If it's sent back to the company then my friend will have the company sectory on his back for a new address as he left this address as fowarding.

Don't I know if my friend has opened the ticket but I expect so. I think it best he write to them no inform of his forwarding address.