Help with Yellow Box junction fine- Merton London
Discussion
Ok so council fine, my friend got. they have him fairly bang to rights he enters the box MTC KINGTSON ROAD j/w with Dorset road.
He enter after the lights changed and failed to judge the traffic que. He wasn't turning right.
Any help, seems a cash cow £130 (£65 in 14 days) for entering a box junction
£130 is more than FPN for speeding!
He enter after the lights changed and failed to judge the traffic que. He wasn't turning right.
Any help, seems a cash cow £130 (£65 in 14 days) for entering a box junction
£130 is more than FPN for speeding!
I entered one the other day (I use it every day) and luckily it's not monitored. I was in the inside lane of 3 and my exit was clear as I entered. There was a space for 1 car on my exit. But the bloke who was stuck in the middle lane and in the box (as he had entered without paying attention) suddenly moved across into my lane and nicked my exit space! So I was stuck in the box behind him!
He entered after the lights changed and failed to judge the traffic queue.
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/rules-...
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/rules-...
TFL said:
How to use a yellow box junction
You may enter a yellow box junction when your exit is clear and there is enough space on the other side of the junction for your vehicle to clear the box completely without stopping.
You can stop in a yellow box junction when turning right if you are prevented from turning by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right.
Do not simply follow the vehicle in front as it may stop and prevent your exit and don't let other drivers pressure you to enter the box when a clear exit is not available.
You may enter a yellow box junction when your exit is clear and there is enough space on the other side of the junction for your vehicle to clear the box completely without stopping.
You can stop in a yellow box junction when turning right if you are prevented from turning by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right.
Do not simply follow the vehicle in front as it may stop and prevent your exit and don't let other drivers pressure you to enter the box when a clear exit is not available.
Foliage said:
Box junctions line marking have to be well maintained and square or they aren't enforceable.
On the shape part, if they have authorisation from the secretary of state to be a variant then they don't have to be square. There are loads of 5-sided ones in London, for instance. Might be something for OP's mate to look into ... has to be a specific variation to that specific box.TwigtheWonderkid said:
I entered one the other day (I use it every day) and luckily it's not monitored. I was in the inside lane of 3 and my exit was clear as I entered. There was a space for 1 car on my exit. But the bloke who was stuck in the middle lane and in the box (as he had entered without paying attention) suddenly moved across into my lane and nicked my exit space! So I was stuck in the box behind him!
I've been in this situation a few times and seen it happen many more. I've never been done for it but often wonder what the liability situation is, particularly if you can prove that the exit from the box was indeed clear when you entered it (which you potentially could if you had a dash-cam, for instance). Can anyone shed any light?
surveyor_101 said:
Ok so council fine, my friend got. they have him fairly bang to rights he enters the box MTC KINGTSON ROAD j/w with Dorset road.
He enter after the lights changed and failed to judge the traffic que. He wasn't turning right.
Any help, seems a cash cow £130 (£65 in 14 days) for entering a box junction
£130 is more than FPN for speeding!
I know that junction, it's almost always stop/start traffic. Quite rare to drive straight across.He enter after the lights changed and failed to judge the traffic que. He wasn't turning right.
Any help, seems a cash cow £130 (£65 in 14 days) for entering a box junction
£130 is more than FPN for speeding!
2Btoo said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I entered one the other day (I use it every day) and luckily it's not monitored. I was in the inside lane of 3 and my exit was clear as I entered. There was a space for 1 car on my exit. But the bloke who was stuck in the middle lane and in the box (as he had entered without paying attention) suddenly moved across into my lane and nicked my exit space! So I was stuck in the box behind him!
I've been in this situation a few times and seen it happen many more. I've never been done for it but often wonder what the liability situation is, particularly if you can prove that the exit from the box was indeed clear when you entered it (which you potentially could if you had a dash-cam, for instance). Can anyone shed any light?
So if they have video evidence of the vehicle and exit, it would show another vehicle taking the space you were intending to move into.
if someone is going straight across a yellow box (not turning across moving traffic to go right, how can they enter with the exit clear and not be able to exit?
the only way that can happen is if someone from another lane moves ahead of them into their lane...
but if they are sitting waiting for a clear exit, the exit becomes clear so they enter the box, what is preventing them from exiting?
if they are turning across the traffic then they can enter with a clear exit and then have it fill up with turning traffic from the opposing stream, but going straight across?
or were they doing the usual London thing of hoping / anticipating that traffic would move faster than it did - in which case they entered in a line of traffic and their exit wasn't actually clear...?
the only way that can happen is if someone from another lane moves ahead of them into their lane...
but if they are sitting waiting for a clear exit, the exit becomes clear so they enter the box, what is preventing them from exiting?
if they are turning across the traffic then they can enter with a clear exit and then have it fill up with turning traffic from the opposing stream, but going straight across?
or were they doing the usual London thing of hoping / anticipating that traffic would move faster than it did - in which case they entered in a line of traffic and their exit wasn't actually clear...?
This may help, not the same junction but the advice is good. I have worked with these guys stopping motorists being fined at other 'revenue traps'.
http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php?topic=3...
http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php?topic=3...
speedking31 said:
@akirk. Not relevant. This thread is about someone who is going to pay a high price for not paying attention.
Getting done is one thing, £20 or £25 even but £110 is taking the f
king piss.This game of catching people out in bus lanes, box junctions etc is one thing but imposing heavy fines like they are is getting beyond a joke, someone might be going to work and he's lost a days money because he got caught in a box junction, no wonder people would rather sign on the dole.
Raygun said:
speedking31 said:
@akirk. Not relevant. This thread is about someone who is going to pay a high price for not paying attention.
Getting done is one thing, £20 or £25 even but £110 is taking the fking piss.This game of catching people out in bus lanes, box junctions etc is one thing but imposing heavy fines like they are is getting beyond a joke, someone might be going to work and he's lost a days money because he got caught in a box junction, no wonder people would rather sign on the dole.
Not paying attention can easily result in someone losing their life. I know its a bit extreme but i'd say a fine is a pretty good result for such a lapse in concentration.
DaveH23 said:
Raygun said:
speedking31 said:
@akirk. Not relevant. This thread is about someone who is going to pay a high price for not paying attention.
Getting done is one thing, £20 or £25 even but £110 is taking the fking piss.This game of catching people out in bus lanes, box junctions etc is one thing but imposing heavy fines like they are is getting beyond a joke, someone might be going to work and he's lost a days money because he got caught in a box junction, no wonder people would rather sign on the dole.
Not paying attention can easily result in someone losing their life. I know its a bit extreme but i'd say a fine is a pretty good result for such a lapse in concentration.
DaveH23 said:
Raygun said:
speedking31 said:
@akirk. Not relevant. This thread is about someone who is going to pay a high price for not paying attention.
Getting done is one thing, £20 or £25 even but £110 is taking the fking piss.This game of catching people out in bus lanes, box junctions etc is one thing but imposing heavy fines like they are is getting beyond a joke, someone might be going to work and he's lost a days money because he got caught in a box junction, no wonder people would rather sign on the dole.
Not paying attention can easily result in someone losing their life. I know its a bit extreme but i'd say a fine is a pretty good result for such a lapse in concentration.
Raygun said:
No not having it, it's a money making racket, after all these years all of a sudden getting caught in a box junction warrants a £110 fine, because like you know and I know there is a load of money to be made from it, it's not even worth debating it's so crystal clear.
£130 seems excessive, if it was £50 but that's more than a penalty for speeding,It's opposite a tram cross with poor vision, someone has already said it's stop start.
He was stop start and it all stopped. He started reversing and a car came thundering up behind him.
We live in the southwest and travel to London on business as does he but not immediate plans to be there again soon.
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