Hypothetical Speeding Question
Discussion
Had this debate on Saturday night, because my friends and I are "hardcore."
Say, late at night, somebody goes on a long motorway drive setting their cruise control to 80mph. They never encounter traffic and never slow below 70mph.
If they got zapped by 4 speed cameras could they argue that it was only 1 (really long) offence (3 points) and not 4 separate ones (12 points)?
Say, late at night, somebody goes on a long motorway drive setting their cruise control to 80mph. They never encounter traffic and never slow below 70mph.
If they got zapped by 4 speed cameras could they argue that it was only 1 (really long) offence (3 points) and not 4 separate ones (12 points)?
HantsRat said:
Is their cruise control was set at 80 they were probably doing 76/77 so wouldn't even activate a speed camera.
Point thoroughly missed.I suspect it would depend on the distance between cameras - 5 miles you might have a shot, 50 miles and I reckon they`d treat them as separate.
(i have no founding for this in law - just guessing)
99dndd said:
Had this debate on Saturday night, because my friends and I are "hardcore."
Say, late at night, somebody goes on a long motorway drive setting their cruise control to 80mph. They never encounter traffic and never slow below 70mph.
If they got zapped by 4 speed cameras could they argue that it was only 1 (really long) offence (3 points) and not 4 separate ones (12 points)?
It is possible to get several incidence regarded as one offence, but the court will look at how many, how far apart, changes in limit along the way etc.Say, late at night, somebody goes on a long motorway drive setting their cruise control to 80mph. They never encounter traffic and never slow below 70mph.
If they got zapped by 4 speed cameras could they argue that it was only 1 (really long) offence (3 points) and not 4 separate ones (12 points)?
It comes down to whether they accept it as one offence or not, not merely that you contend it is or not.
vonhosen said:
Doesn't (I think) say whether it was two separate places on the same journey she was caught or the same place twice (I would suspect the latter)HantsRat said:
Is their cruise control was set at 80 they were probably doing 76/77 so wouldn't even activate a speed camera.
That used to be my thinking too, until I got this last week. Cruise was set to 80. See the 'can I do 78 on a motorway?' thread.
To answer the OP (IMO), my reckoning would be the law has photo evidence of you breaking the law consistently in 4 different location so 12 points might be a possibility.
Here, if you're not concentrating when you pass the first camera (unfortunately hidden behind a sign, what are the chances?), then if you get caught by the second camera then it's 6 points for a speeding offence. Seems like a deliberate manipulation of the law to me.
It may of changed but many years ago I had a similar situation where I was caught 2 times by same speed trap in one evening, (not stopped at time). When speaking with a solicitor he asked me would it of been possible that I didnt drop below the limit before being clocked again as then it was only 1 offence. Unfortunately this wasnt the case and road layout made that argument impossible.
Have to say if it was for many miles and many different roads then that may not be the case.
A simple way to look at my example above is if the police set up 4 speed traps 1/2 mile apart then can they charge you 4 times when in fact you have only committed the one offence.
Have to say if it was for many miles and many different roads then that may not be the case.
A simple way to look at my example above is if the police set up 4 speed traps 1/2 mile apart then can they charge you 4 times when in fact you have only committed the one offence.
parabolica said:
That used to be my thinking too, until I got this last week. Cruise was set to 80. See the 'can I do 78 on a motorway?' thread.
To answer the OP (IMO), my reckoning would be the law has photo evidence of you breaking the law consistently in 4 different location so 12 points might be a possibility.
I thought there was a published prosecution limit of "speed limit x 110% + 2mph", so on a motorway the limit is 79mph?To answer the OP (IMO), my reckoning would be the law has photo evidence of you breaking the law consistently in 4 different location so 12 points might be a possibility.
parabolica said:
That used to be my thinking too, until I got this last week. Cruise was set to 80. See the 'can I do 78 on a motorway?' thread.
To answer the OP (IMO), my reckoning would be the law has photo evidence of you breaking the law consistently in 4 different location so 12 points might be a possibility.
There are lots of roadworks on the stretch between J38 and J40 at the moment, all showing a 50 limit. Were you in those when done, but they've not done the paperwork right so still technically a 70?To answer the OP (IMO), my reckoning would be the law has photo evidence of you breaking the law consistently in 4 different location so 12 points might be a possibility.
To look at it another way, if the authorities wanted to give 6 points for a speeding infraction, then they could. They could set speed cameras to take 4 measurements at 0.1 s intervals and call them 4 separate offences. They haven't done either of those, so giving 12 points for a day trip would seem to be going against the current theory and practice of an education element and time to adjust behaviour, rather than out and out punishment.
speedking31 said:
To look at it another way, if the authorities wanted to give 6 points for a speeding infraction, then they could. They could set speed cameras to take 4 measurements at 0.1 s intervals and call them 4 separate offences. They haven't done either of those, so giving 12 points for a day trip would seem to be going against the current theory and practice of an education element and time to adjust behaviour, rather than out and out punishment.
They could try, but they'd fail miserably. Gavia said:
parabolica said:
That used to be my thinking too, until I got this last week. Cruise was set to 80. See the 'can I do 78 on a motorway?' thread.
To answer the OP (IMO), my reckoning would be the law has photo evidence of you breaking the law consistently in 4 different location so 12 points might be a possibility.
There are lots of roadworks on the stretch between J38 and J40 at the moment, all showing a 50 limit. Were you in those when done, but they've not done the paperwork right so still technically a 70?To answer the OP (IMO), my reckoning would be the law has photo evidence of you breaking the law consistently in 4 different location so 12 points might be a possibility.
vonhosen said:
That makes for a sorry, sorry read. 
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