1st March - 6points for mobile phone use at the wheel
Discussion
codenamecueball said:
The phone in a cradle thing will need a test case before we know for certain.
Mainly because I don't even think the police know what is and isn't okay, just the cut and dry offence of holding a phone is now even more serious.
If the phone is in a cradle then it doesn't need to be handheld and won't contravene the specific mobile phone legislation.Mainly because I don't even think the police know what is and isn't okay, just the cut and dry offence of holding a phone is now even more serious.
Nothing to prevent you from using a cradled phone and being prosecuted for other offences, though - not in proper control, careless driving, etc.
codenamecueball said:
The phone in a cradle thing will need a test case before we know for certain.
Mainly because I don't even think the police know what is and isn't okay, just the cut and dry offence of holding a phone is now even more serious.
The penalty is changing. That's it. You appear to have assumed some nonsense written on the internet is true.Mainly because I don't even think the police know what is and isn't okay, just the cut and dry offence of holding a phone is now even more serious.
Warby80 said:
996TT02 said:
Warby80 said:
alock said:
Doesn't effect me. I can read/send text messages via the touch screen built into my dashboard while doing 70mph. Must be safe because the law hasn't banned it.
Just because its there doesnt mean you have to use it. A. It was counter intuitive
B. Had tiny buttons
C. Required precise touching
There really is no need for touch screen in a car, by all means have nav and displays, but simple ways of controlling, or turn touch off when car is in motion
I dont condone anyone using their mobile when driving (unless held in a cradle and so 'hands-free') but there have been numerous cases on here and other forums (pepippo etc) citing instances when drivers have been accused of using their mobile by plod some distance away yet the claim is their phone was in the glovebox / boot or in one thread I read, he had left his phone at home! Police are human and can make mistakes - driver scratching ear etc. Once the points raises to 6, is there going to be any further safe guards to ensure that the reporting officer is not mistaken? No, of course not.
My other observation, as with speeding fines / points, it seems that there is a direct correlation between the chance of been caught and the level of punishment, ie, the less plod on the road, the higher the fine. In other words, as cuts affect the police service more, the points and fine will no doubt rise again.
My other observation, as with speeding fines / points, it seems that there is a direct correlation between the chance of been caught and the level of punishment, ie, the less plod on the road, the higher the fine. In other words, as cuts affect the police service more, the points and fine will no doubt rise again.
According to this https://www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phones-when-drivin... you can ring 999 or 112 on a hand-held mobile whilst driving only if it is unsafe to stop.
According to this http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/2695/regul... you can ring 999 or 112 at any time on a hand-held mobile, but you can make any genuine emergency call if it is unsafe or impractical to stop.
The differences are subtle, but it shows the importance of referencing the legislation and not someone's interpretation of it
According to this http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/2695/regul... you can ring 999 or 112 at any time on a hand-held mobile, but you can make any genuine emergency call if it is unsafe or impractical to stop.
The differences are subtle, but it shows the importance of referencing the legislation and not someone's interpretation of it
Being an M62 using biker I think this law coming in is excellent - being on a motorbike on such a busy road is shocking: the number of people phoning and texting is simply unbelievable. Younger females are the worst offenders for texting, I rarely see blokes texting but it's unusual to see a female that isn't!
Using the phone to call is ridiculous - are any cars sold nowadays that don't have bluetooth?
HOWEVER there are issues I have with this law - 6 points and the associated insurance grief is a stiff penalty to pay. I assume that all it will take to get ticketed for this is the say so of a single officer? It's fair enough if you're guilty but I've come across enough arsey coppers to know that there will be people who get prosecuted for this who weren't touching or using a phone. What if the policeman is wrong, or just plain nasty or vindictive.
I'll be keeping my phone in my jacket in the boot.
Using the phone to call is ridiculous - are any cars sold nowadays that don't have bluetooth?
HOWEVER there are issues I have with this law - 6 points and the associated insurance grief is a stiff penalty to pay. I assume that all it will take to get ticketed for this is the say so of a single officer? It's fair enough if you're guilty but I've come across enough arsey coppers to know that there will be people who get prosecuted for this who weren't touching or using a phone. What if the policeman is wrong, or just plain nasty or vindictive.
I'll be keeping my phone in my jacket in the boot.
Dog Star said:
Being an M62 using biker I think this law coming in is excellent - being on a motorbike on such a busy road is shocking: the number of people phoning and texting is simply unbelievable. Younger females are the worst offenders for texting, I rarely see blokes texting but it's unusual to see a female that isn't!
Using the phone to call is ridiculous - are any cars sold nowadays that don't have bluetooth?
HOWEVER there are issues I have with this law - 6 points and the associated insurance grief is a stiff penalty to pay. I assume that all it will take to get ticketed for this is the say so of a single officer? It's fair enough if you're guilty but I've come across enough arsey coppers to know that there will be people who get prosecuted for this who weren't touching or using a phone. What if the policeman is wrong, or just plain nasty or vindictive.
I'll be keeping my phone in my jacket in the boot.
I agree with the young female users, seems social networking is rated as a higher priority than driving!! I applaud the rising to 6 points and I reckon this was done to dissuade the young drivers from using their phones as I'm sure all on here are aware that 6 points in the first 2 years of driving equals a driving ban and resit so hopefully that might be enough to make the youngsters break the habit?Using the phone to call is ridiculous - are any cars sold nowadays that don't have bluetooth?
HOWEVER there are issues I have with this law - 6 points and the associated insurance grief is a stiff penalty to pay. I assume that all it will take to get ticketed for this is the say so of a single officer? It's fair enough if you're guilty but I've come across enough arsey coppers to know that there will be people who get prosecuted for this who weren't touching or using a phone. What if the policeman is wrong, or just plain nasty or vindictive.
I'll be keeping my phone in my jacket in the boot.
cb1965 said:
PieSlayer said:
Exact same reason I don't have the radio on or carry passengers ever. It's all added distractions that could cause me to have an accident.
FFS don't say that as half of the 'tards in here will start citing it as a genuinely good ideaTo be fair it WOULD be a good idea for half the 'tards on here......
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