Motorist with 62 penalty points legally allowed to drive
Discussion
GT03ROB said:
hornetrider said:
62 is ridiculous but I do think the current number of 12 is too low. A driving ban can be life changing and with the recent proliferation of cameras everywhere making being caught a few mph over a limit so much more likely, I think the ban criteria needs to move up a few. Maybe 18?
Why is 12 too low? Over a 3 year period you can't avoid getting 4 speeding tickets??Vipers said:
GT03ROB said:
hornetrider said:
62 is ridiculous but I do think the current number of 12 is too low. A driving ban can be life changing and with the recent proliferation of cameras everywhere making being caught a few mph over a limit so much more likely, I think the ban criteria needs to move up a few. Maybe 18?
Why is 12 too low? Over a 3 year period you can't avoid getting 4 speeding tickets??
I'd asked it as a question as I don;t see why 12 points is too low.
GT03ROB said:
Vipers said:
GT03ROB said:
hornetrider said:
62 is ridiculous but I do think the current number of 12 is too low. A driving ban can be life changing and with the recent proliferation of cameras everywhere making being caught a few mph over a limit so much more likely, I think the ban criteria needs to move up a few. Maybe 18?
Why is 12 too low? Over a 3 year period you can't avoid getting 4 speeding tickets??I'd asked it as a question as I don;t see why 12 points is too low.
Do we stick at 12 points and then review the amount given for various offences ?
The more serious remain at 3 plus points, with less serious offences being given say 1 point.
I have not given any thought to what constitutes a less serious offence, but I am sure we could all come up with some.
The more serious remain at 3 plus points, with less serious offences being given say 1 point.
I have not given any thought to what constitutes a less serious offence, but I am sure we could all come up with some.
Gavia said:
Fastpedeller said:
If a gantry has a red cross above the lane then that is fair enough, but if it's followed by 2 further gantries without red crosses what is the motorist to believe? The absence of a red cross surely implies it's ok to drive in that lane?
Nope. The Red Cross means do not proceed further in this lane. Until there's a sign to override it, then that lane remains closed. This is pretty basic Highwya Code stuff. I've seen it happen a few times where there are no further gantries, just a sign indicating the end of the VSL zone, which doesn't say anything about the end of lane closures.
On one occasion the lane closure signs ended several gantries before my exit, but that didn't stop me from moving across to L1 to take the exit - I was not about to drive 20 miles out of my way just because of ambiguous signage.
Engineer792 said:
What happens if there are no further signs?
I've seen it happen a few times where there are no further gantries, just a sign indicating the end of the VSL zone, which doesn't say anything about the end of lane closures.
On one occasion the lane closure signs ended several gantries before my exit, but that didn't stop me from moving across to L1 to take the exit - I was not about to drive 20 miles out of my way just because of ambiguous signage.
Then it remains closed. I've seen it happen a few times where there are no further gantries, just a sign indicating the end of the VSL zone, which doesn't say anything about the end of lane closures.
On one occasion the lane closure signs ended several gantries before my exit, but that didn't stop me from moving across to L1 to take the exit - I was not about to drive 20 miles out of my way just because of ambiguous signage.
Shakermaker said:
GT03ROB said:
hornetrider said:
62 is ridiculous but I do think the current number of 12 is too low. A driving ban can be life changing and with the recent proliferation of cameras everywhere making being caught a few mph over a limit so much more likely, I think the ban criteria needs to move up a few. Maybe 18?
Why is 12 too low? Over a 3 year period you can't avoid getting 4 speeding tickets??Not hard not to get caught!
TX.
Gavia said:
Engineer792 said:
What happens if there are no further signs?
I've seen it happen a few times where there are no further gantries, just a sign indicating the end of the VSL zone, which doesn't say anything about the end of lane closures.
On one occasion the lane closure signs ended several gantries before my exit, but that didn't stop me from moving across to L1 to take the exit - I was not about to drive 20 miles out of my way just because of ambiguous signage.
Then it remains closed. I've seen it happen a few times where there are no further gantries, just a sign indicating the end of the VSL zone, which doesn't say anything about the end of lane closures.
On one occasion the lane closure signs ended several gantries before my exit, but that didn't stop me from moving across to L1 to take the exit - I was not about to drive 20 miles out of my way just because of ambiguous signage.
What then happens with traffic entering at the next junction, for argument's sake? (case in point, the above-mentioned junction at which I exited)
They would have no way of knowing that the lanes were closed - if that was the case.
Engineer792 said:
Sorry, I just don't buy that.
What then happens with traffic entering at the next junction, for argument's sake? (case in point, the above-mentioned junction at which I exited)
They would have no way of knowing that the lanes were closed - if that was the case.
There is always the matrix on the side of the motorway, which all motorways have which would show the lane closure. No matter how much you argue, the reality is what I've stated. What then happens with traffic entering at the next junction, for argument's sake? (case in point, the above-mentioned junction at which I exited)
They would have no way of knowing that the lanes were closed - if that was the case.
Gavia said:
Engineer792 said:
Sorry, I just don't buy that.
What then happens with traffic entering at the next junction, for argument's sake? (case in point, the above-mentioned junction at which I exited)
They would have no way of knowing that the lanes were closed - if that was the case.
There is always the matrix on the side of the motorway, which all motorways have which would show the lane closure. No matter how much you argue, the reality is what I've stated. What then happens with traffic entering at the next junction, for argument's sake? (case in point, the above-mentioned junction at which I exited)
They would have no way of knowing that the lanes were closed - if that was the case.
The operators aren't infallible, so unless there are fail-safe interlocks built into the system, they could get it wrong.
Regarding my other point, was I wrong to cross 'closed' lanes in order to take my exit?
Edited by Engineer792 on Friday 3rd March 00:56
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