Bus Lane Violation
Discussion
Just received notification and a fine of £60 from Southampton City Council for being in a bus lane.
No doubt I was in the bus lane - photo confirms it. The photo also shows:-
1. The bus lane terminating (for traffic lights) within probably 50-100 yards
2. Nothing in front of me.
3. A car to the right of me in the photograph (looks stationary but suspect moving slowly) just about to turn right - i.e. the 'reason' for being in the bus lane.
I am no causing any problem to anyone - in fact I am 'keeping the traffic moving' and 'minimising pollution' (by not stopping and starting unnecessarily).
Should I just get settle up and the 50% discount or argue a case for reasonableness.
This was surely never the intended purpose of bus lanes
Appreciate constructive feedback from anyone
No doubt I was in the bus lane - photo confirms it. The photo also shows:-
1. The bus lane terminating (for traffic lights) within probably 50-100 yards
2. Nothing in front of me.
3. A car to the right of me in the photograph (looks stationary but suspect moving slowly) just about to turn right - i.e. the 'reason' for being in the bus lane.
I am no causing any problem to anyone - in fact I am 'keeping the traffic moving' and 'minimising pollution' (by not stopping and starting unnecessarily).
Should I just get settle up and the 50% discount or argue a case for reasonableness.
This was surely never the intended purpose of bus lanes
Appreciate constructive feedback from anyone
addz86 said:
I got two, one Monday and the second Tuesday morning both going to work in Nottingham.
Both times only just over the line going past a car trying to turn right which was annoying but I just payed them both early to get them discounted to £30
Thanks for response and figure that's what I'll do.Both times only just over the line going past a car trying to turn right which was annoying but I just payed them both early to get them discounted to £30
But what if there was something coming behind you?
I cycle along a bus lane every morning, there is regularly a queue of traffic queued up next to it and on the odd occasion people get frustrated with waiting in line and decide that they can use the bus lane to save a few minutes.
A few weeks ago, dressed in a garish mix of orange and red (so very visible) I had a car pull out on me as I passed him and pushed me up against the kerb where luckily I was just able to keep myself upright. The guy had no idea I was there.
I cycle along a bus lane every morning, there is regularly a queue of traffic queued up next to it and on the odd occasion people get frustrated with waiting in line and decide that they can use the bus lane to save a few minutes.
A few weeks ago, dressed in a garish mix of orange and red (so very visible) I had a car pull out on me as I passed him and pushed me up against the kerb where luckily I was just able to keep myself upright. The guy had no idea I was there.
peterhw100 said:
3. A car to the right of me in the photograph (looks stationary but suspect moving slowly) just about to turn right - i.e. the 'reason' for being in the bus lane.
Surely the real reason you were in the bus lane is that you didn't realise it was a bus lane? If I were to move left to pass a car waiting to turn right, I wouldn't do it if it was a bus lane, unless I missed the signs telling me it was a bus lane. I wouldn't think I was able to legally enter the bus lane because my lane was blocked. pembo said:
But what if there was something coming behind you?
I cycle along a bus lane every morning, there is regularly a queue of traffic queued up next to it and on the odd occasion people get frustrated with waiting in line and decide that they can use the bus lane to save a few minutes.
A few weeks ago, dressed in a garish mix of orange and red (so very visible) I had a car pull out on me as I passed him and pushed me up against the kerb where luckily I was just able to keep myself upright. The guy had no idea I was there.
There wasn't anything behind me - wouldn't dream of 'just pulling across' without looking / signallingI cycle along a bus lane every morning, there is regularly a queue of traffic queued up next to it and on the odd occasion people get frustrated with waiting in line and decide that they can use the bus lane to save a few minutes.
A few weeks ago, dressed in a garish mix of orange and red (so very visible) I had a car pull out on me as I passed him and pushed me up against the kerb where luckily I was just able to keep myself upright. The guy had no idea I was there.
Glad to hear your OK and dress in a manner where you should be seen easily
I would advise you to contest each and every such PCN.
I have in the past also been done by CCTV prematurely entering a bus lane, when turning left at a major junction and this was cancelled when I challenged it.
Also, more recently, I challenged a PCN for parking in a disabled bay, which was also cancelled.
These were both in London by the way.
You have nothing to lose by challenging the PCN, and you never know, you might get lucky, like I did.
I have in the past also been done by CCTV prematurely entering a bus lane, when turning left at a major junction and this was cancelled when I challenged it.
Also, more recently, I challenged a PCN for parking in a disabled bay, which was also cancelled.
These were both in London by the way.
You have nothing to lose by challenging the PCN, and you never know, you might get lucky, like I did.
giantdefy said:
Mandat said:
You have nothing to lose by challenging the PCN, and you never know, you might get lucky, like I did.
Except the reduced charge disappears when you challengeWhen I challenged my last PCN, the notes said that if the challenge is not upheld, there is a further 14 day period in which the reduced charge can be paid.
Maybe there are different rules in different parts of the country.
I think the OP is going to have to suck it up and put it down to experience ...
Unfortunately it's a sign of today's society when it comes to motoring....
Cameras are used to squeeze every last drop of money out of the motorist...
Common sense and practicality have gone out of the window....
You make a mistake ? You pay !! It's all stick and no carrot.
Unless of course you don't have licence, don't have insurance, don't have VED, don't have a job, and then you can do as you please as it is your right do so....
And successive governments wonder why a lot of people are anti establishment.
Unfortunately it's a sign of today's society when it comes to motoring....
Cameras are used to squeeze every last drop of money out of the motorist...
Common sense and practicality have gone out of the window....
You make a mistake ? You pay !! It's all stick and no carrot.
Unless of course you don't have licence, don't have insurance, don't have VED, don't have a job, and then you can do as you please as it is your right do so....
And successive governments wonder why a lot of people are anti establishment.
PorkInsider said:
When people have had their appeals rejected after pulling into a bus lanes, on almost traffic-free roads, to let ambulances pass I'm not sure what would be deemed a good enough reason.
It can work if giving priority to an emergency vehicle. Brighton Council tried it on with some woman where the camera clearly showed a police car overtaking in the lane she should have been in and she had moved over to the bus lane. Council types refused to budge (massively anti-car anyway) but the Parking Adjudicator found in her favour.Not sure that simply going on the inside of a car turning right would get the same result though there have been calls for common sense to be applied to minor transgressions - something beyond the ability of local councils.
Seesure said:
I think the OP is going to have to suck it up and put it down to experience ...
Unfortunately it's a sign of today's society when it comes to motoring....
Cameras are used to squeeze every last drop of money out of the motorist...
Common sense and practicality have gone out of the window....
You make a mistake ? You pay !! It's all stick and no carrot.
Unless of course you don't have licence, don't have insurance, don't have VED, don't have a job, and then you can do as you please as it is your right do so....
And successive governments wonder why a lot of people are anti establishment.
What kind of carrot would you like?Unfortunately it's a sign of today's society when it comes to motoring....
Cameras are used to squeeze every last drop of money out of the motorist...
Common sense and practicality have gone out of the window....
You make a mistake ? You pay !! It's all stick and no carrot.
Unless of course you don't have licence, don't have insurance, don't have VED, don't have a job, and then you can do as you please as it is your right do so....
And successive governments wonder why a lot of people are anti establishment.
Seesure said:
I think the OP is going to have to suck it up and put it down to experience ...
Unfortunately it's a sign of today's society when it comes to motoring....
Cameras are used to squeeze every last drop of money out of the motorist...
Common sense and practicality have gone out of the window....
You make a mistake ? You pay !! It's all stick and no carrot.
Unless of course you don't have licence, don't have insurance, don't have VED, don't have a job, and then you can do as you please as it is your right do so....
And successive governments wonder why a lot of people are anti establishment.
I've managed to get a few PCN's cancelled, even though I was seemingly "bang to rights" both times. Unfortunately it's a sign of today's society when it comes to motoring....
Cameras are used to squeeze every last drop of money out of the motorist...
Common sense and practicality have gone out of the window....
You make a mistake ? You pay !! It's all stick and no carrot.
Unless of course you don't have licence, don't have insurance, don't have VED, don't have a job, and then you can do as you please as it is your right do so....
And successive governments wonder why a lot of people are anti establishment.
It doesn't hurt to submit a challenge, if only for the satisfaction of making the council have to work for their PCN money.
Flip side of this is the A580 heading in and out of Manchester.... if ever a road needed camera's it's that one!
Utter cretins driving down it using it as a "fast lane" while all the law abiding drivers sit in the traffic, which is made worse by said cretins pulling in and expecting to be left space they can use to cut in.
Whole thing needs to be sorted
Utter cretins driving down it using it as a "fast lane" while all the law abiding drivers sit in the traffic, which is made worse by said cretins pulling in and expecting to be left space they can use to cut in.
Whole thing needs to be sorted
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