SMART Motorway cameras - how long before they switch on?
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PorkInsider said:
Right. I'll try again...
Yes, it's to be applauded.
Yes, I'm pleased they're doing this.
All I'm doing is questioning the logic that's written out in the letter.
When receive this letter, you're getting a warning that they've 'seen' you speeding and not to do it again. If you do it again, you'll be prosecuted.
BUT... at the end of the letter it says that if you weren't the driver, you should pass it whoever was driving.
So what happens if the same vehicle is seen speeding again?
Do they assume it must be the same driver? So no warning this time, you're going to get prosecuted?
Or given that the first time this vehicle was seen speeding you might have passed the letter on to someone else, since it wasn't you driving..., do you get another chance?
That's all I'm saying!
I get your point, but the reality is that they don't have to give us a warning. Most of the time, the driver will be the owner of the car (excluding any pedantry over loans / PCP / company car), so it will reach the right person. If it isn't the right person then they pass it on. However, I don't see any of us successfully defending a speeding charge by arguing that the first warning wasn't them driving, so we deserve another warning. Yes, it's to be applauded.
Yes, I'm pleased they're doing this.
All I'm doing is questioning the logic that's written out in the letter.
When receive this letter, you're getting a warning that they've 'seen' you speeding and not to do it again. If you do it again, you'll be prosecuted.
BUT... at the end of the letter it says that if you weren't the driver, you should pass it whoever was driving.
So what happens if the same vehicle is seen speeding again?
Do they assume it must be the same driver? So no warning this time, you're going to get prosecuted?
Or given that the first time this vehicle was seen speeding you might have passed the letter on to someone else, since it wasn't you driving..., do you get another chance?
That's all I'm saying!
Edited by PorkInsider on Friday 24th February 21:13
I'd rather get one of these letters than a NIP every single time. If I did, then I wouldn't have recently spent £95 on an SAC
PorkInsider said:
Not sure if I'm due a parrot here, but if caught again how could the police say 'you've been warned once, so now we're prosecuting you', when it could have been anyone who was driving? They're just sending a letter out and asking you to pass it to whoever was driving if it wasn't you. They're not asking you to name the driver as per the usual process.
The point I'm making is that if you can get off wth a warning once, then you can get off with a warning again by saying it wasn't you driving last time a warning was issued. Or will the police just assume 'same car, so this time we prosecute' ?
No parrot. You're right.. hadn't thought about it from that angle The point I'm making is that if you can get off wth a warning once, then you can get off with a warning again by saying it wasn't you driving last time a warning was issued. Or will the police just assume 'same car, so this time we prosecute' ?
PorkInsider said:
Gavia said:
Them why start picking holes in what they've done? Plod have used discretion here, that's to be applauded IMO.
Right. I'll try again...Yes, it's to be applauded.
Yes, I'm pleased they're doing this.
All I'm doing is questioning the logic that's written out in the letter.
When receive this letter, you're getting a warning that they've 'seen' you speeding and not to do it again. If you do it again, you'll be prosecuted.
BUT... at the end of the letter it says that if you weren't the driver, you should pass it whoever was driving.
So what happens if the same vehicle is seen speeding again?
Do they assume it must be the same driver? So no warning this time, you're going to get prosecuted?
Or given that the first time this vehicle was seen speeding you might have passed the letter on to someone else, since it wasn't you driving..., do you get another chance?
That's all I'm saying!
Edited by PorkInsider on Friday 24th February 21:13
The problem with the SMART motorway at the bottom end of the M1 (J6 - J13), which I regularly use, is that the speed limits seem to be set using a tombola machine.
I've been driving along the section past Hemel at around 7.30/8pm on a weekday, in busy but steadily moving traffic and the signs have changed from consistently 60 down to 50 then 60 then 40, before going back up to 70 between Luton Airport and the new J11A roadworks (with a 50 average speed limit). The effect that this has on traffic flow is, in my view, worse than if the speed limit was set to a constantly steady 60.
Don't even get me started on the even shoddier than normal lane discipline of drivers on 4 lane sections of the M'way...
I've been driving along the section past Hemel at around 7.30/8pm on a weekday, in busy but steadily moving traffic and the signs have changed from consistently 60 down to 50 then 60 then 40, before going back up to 70 between Luton Airport and the new J11A roadworks (with a 50 average speed limit). The effect that this has on traffic flow is, in my view, worse than if the speed limit was set to a constantly steady 60.
Don't even get me started on the even shoddier than normal lane discipline of drivers on 4 lane sections of the M'way...
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