Vehicle beacons.

[esxste]

ging84 said:

Completely missing the point, unless you are hinting somewhere in there that there is a good reason the light couldn't flash to show something is wrong, like normal warning lights.
If i was a site supervisor and i had to watch out for drivers not wearing thier seat belt, i'd much rather be able to look out and have my attention drawn to the occasional one not wearing his seat belt by a flashing light rather than constantly having to visually sweep all the moving vehicles to try and catch ones without the flashing light.

OK... what if the beacon breaks and cannot flash?

Do you have the plant checked every day to ensure the worker using it is going to be safe? Who checks it? Do they need qualifications? How much extra will that cost?

[alangla]

No doubt a whoosh parrot incoming, but I thought plant and the like DID have to be checked every day before use.

[QuickQuack]

Tony1963 said:

ging84 said:

Right so it's worth compromising a warning system to make it woefully inefficient because you cannot guarantee that workers can be trusted not to sabotage thier own safety equipment, and you don't see that as health and safety gone mad?

I think that a few people are getting a bit angry about something that really doesn't concern them. H&S gone mad is when a billion to one sort of incident is catered for with expensive/restrictive/inadequate (add more as you wish) procedures. I don't think that's the case here.

Agree with the above. This is a simple, cheap and efficient way to check that both the employee is using the safety kit and that the safety system is operating as intended. It's not H&S gone mad. If you want to claim that it is a symptom of anything going mad, then you need to direct your ire to 1) stupidity of mankind and some employees who will not use the equipment provided for their own safety; 2) the even more cretinous mongs who really do sabotage their own safety equipment because they value convenience more than their lives; 3) blame and compensation culture where companies are held liable for injuries and deaths of the retards in 1 & 2 above caused by their own moronic actions, and the blame thus heaped upon the company being able to lead any outcome from significant financial claims, to serious adverse publicity or to the directors being jailed.

[lawrencec]

I have learnt something new today I thought it was to show the machine is in operation

[mel]

I've learnt something too. I'd seen these and assumed that they were intended to show that either a First Aid Kit was carried in the vehicle or the driver was a First Aider a sort of site First aid post that could be identified quickly and easily. Completely wrong as it turns out but just goes to show the confusion that the choice of colour can cause, had I been on scene first at an accident in close proximity to one of these I'd have been running over and looking for gear.

[Tony1963]

QuickQuack said:

Agree with the above. This is a simple, cheap and efficient way to check that both the employee is using the safety kit and that the safety system is operating as intended. It's not H&S gone mad. If you want to claim that it is a symptom of anything going mad, then you need to direct your ire to 1) stupidity of mankind and some employees who will not use the equipment provided for their own safety; 2) the even more cretinous mongs who really do sabotage their own safety equipment because they value convenience more than their lives; 3) blame and compensation culture where companies are held liable for injuries and deaths of the retards in 1 & 2 above caused by their own moronic actions, and the blame thus heaped upon the company being able to lead any outcome from significant financial claims, to serious adverse publicity or to the directors being jailed.

Phew, thought I was all on my own! Thanks

[Drumroll]

To be honest very few doctors now use green lights. Most respond either directly through the NHS or through BASIC schemes and they tend to use blue lights.

[mel]

Drumroll said:

To be honest very few doctors now use green lights. Most respond either directly through the NHS or through BASIC schemes and they tend to use blue lights.

All London (and some other full time HEMS) Air Ambulance RRV's have light bars combining both Blue & Green to reflect the fact they operate as a Doctot/Paramedic team.

[jesta1865]

i used to think that some H&S rules were stupid and over the top.

after speaking at length to one of their inspectors, the rules are only normally put in place where some moron has done the stupid and or dangerous thing to prompt it.

i'm a lot more relaxed about it these days

[Grunt Futtock]

jesta1865 said:

i used to think that some H&S rules were stupid and over the top.

after speaking at length to one of their inspectors, the rules are only normally put in place where some moron has done the stupid and or dangerous thing to prompt it.

i'm a lot more relaxed about it these days

I was in a similar situation but after acquiring some H&S responsibilities at work and being on courses I can see that when done properly it's a completely invaluable set of legislation. What rustles my jimmies is glammed up newspaper stories about 'elf and safety gone mad' when it has nothing whatsoever to do with health and safety. There was some story about a school banning running in the playground that was blamed on H&S but it was complete bobbins. The school in question didn't think about any risk control measures they just went for the cheapest 'ban it' option, there is nothing in H&S rules saying 'ban children running.'

[QuickQuack]

Grunt Futtock said:

I was in a similar situation but after acquiring some H&S responsibilities at work and being on courses I can see that when done properly it's a completely invaluable set of legislation. What rustles my jimmies is glammed up newspaper stories about 'elf and safety gone mad' when it has nothing whatsoever to do with health and safety. There was some story about a school banning running in the playground that was blamed on H&S but it was complete bobbins. The school in question didn't think about any risk control measures they just went for the cheapest 'ban it' option, there is nothing in H&S rules saying 'ban children running.'

That's what annoys me as well. People use H&S as an excuse to ban things or to implement other things according to their own personal agendas when the truth couldn't be further from it.

[Tom_C76]

As a good example of why the beacon is needed to show everything is OK on a construction vehicle, a client of ours many years back had a confined housing site that would be difficult to stack out with materials, so put a tower crane on for the duration of the build. For most things this was fine, but the operator found that at full reach the overload warning went off when lifting mortar skips up for the brickies. So he disconnected the siren.

A few days later when lifting mortar the crane snapped its line under load. The tower went back and forth like a pendulum and failed some of its fixings at foundation level. The driver filled his trousers.