So who is going to admit to 6 points, or knowing someone....
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mygoldfishbowl said:
sim72 said:
Still not enough IMO.
But people like the OP are just as bad. They drive around constantly looking at what other people are doing so obviously not concentrating on what they're doing or looking where they're going. 
t mate. The first thing you see as an observant driver is another vehicle that's being driven erratically. Usually slight lane indiscipline or speed fluctuations. It is then that you subsequently observe the reason for this driving style. If you aren't capable of driving properly and also picking up on other people doing dangerous stuff then you aren't driving carefully yourself.
As the op states he was crawling in slow traffic at night your accusation is unfounded and dumb.
Dr Jekyll said:
Slightly O/T. But does anyone have figures for the percentage of drivers with zero/3/6/9 points? (I appreciate other numbers of points are available.)
State of play 26th Sept 201546,762,863 licence holders.
43,927,354 will nil points.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 4th March 21:16
TTmonkey said:
That's bullst mate. The first thing you see as an observant driver is another vehicle that's being driven erratically. Usually slight lane indiscipline or speed fluctuations. It is then that you subsequently observe the reason for this driving style.
If you aren't capable of driving properly and also picking up on other people doing dangerous stuff then you aren't driving carefully yourself.
As the op states he was crawling in slow traffic at night your accusation is unfounded and dumb.
No, it really isn't. Read his second or third post. You are correct that you need to observe the vehicle however some people seem to only want to observe what people are doing rather than how the vehicle is being driven. t mate. The first thing you see as an observant driver is another vehicle that's being driven erratically. Usually slight lane indiscipline or speed fluctuations. It is then that you subsequently observe the reason for this driving style. If you aren't capable of driving properly and also picking up on other people doing dangerous stuff then you aren't driving carefully yourself.
As the op states he was crawling in slow traffic at night your accusation is unfounded and dumb.
If people are driving around concentrating on what other drivers are doing, rather than how other vehicles are being driven, then they are obviously not concentrating on what they're doing.
I remain confused on this revised law as its unclear if you can touch a phone IF it is in a proper hands free cradle? Or does it just remain as before that you can not hand hold a device but its now stiffer penalties? I want to be 100% about this as although I never touch the phone whilst moving I might glance to read (never send) a text when stopped with the engine 'Stop/Start' off and handbrake on at traffic lights - i don't even need to touch the phone as it pops up as a preview (lighting the screen accordingly) up but I don't want to be in any bovva!
I just don't get it. The reason I text someone is so they can read it when it's convenient, not when they're busy, like driving.
And my phone must be unique, because if I get a call and don't answer it, it'll take a message, which I can listen to anytime. And the Facebook app doesn't delete a post (drivel) if I don't read it straightaway.
I read online the other day that insurance premiums could rise 30% for anyone caught doing this. Sorry, I didn't get the link, the lights changed.
And my phone must be unique, because if I get a call and don't answer it, it'll take a message, which I can listen to anytime. And the Facebook app doesn't delete a post (drivel) if I don't read it straightaway.
I read online the other day that insurance premiums could rise 30% for anyone caught doing this. Sorry, I didn't get the link, the lights changed.
vonhosen said:
State of play 26th Sept 2015
46,762,863 licence holders.
43,927,354 will nil points.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Slacking - all those prospects 46,762,863 licence holders.
43,927,354 will nil points.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 4th March 21:16
mygoldfishbowl said:
No, it really isn't. Read his second or third post. You are correct that you need to observe the vehicle however some people seem to only want to observe what people are doing rather than how the vehicle is being driven.
If people are driving around concentrating on what other drivers are doing, rather than how other vehicles are being driven, then they are obviously not concentrating on what they're doing.
It really doesn't take more than a second glance to see someone is on their phone, especially in the dusk, as per my OP, it is blantantly obvious there's a phone lit up in someone's face. Particularly on the M25 at 18:00!! You are contradicting yourself saying that if someone is concentrating on what other drivers are doing, rather than how other vehicles are being driven, then they are not concentrating on their own driving?? Either aspect is concentrating on something else? If people are driving around concentrating on what other drivers are doing, rather than how other vehicles are being driven, then they are obviously not concentrating on what they're doing.
I find that establishing a driver's stance helps establish their next move. Where they're looking, what they're doing, many a time I have changed my road position based on the fact someone clearly has their interest elsewhere, and made a move oblivious to my existence!! You can read a driver if you see them, so personally I find it quite important to judge a driver's mannerisms. More so if they are on a bloody mobile phone!!!!
Sticks. said:
I just don't get it. The reason I text someone is so they can read it when it's convenient, not when they're busy, like driving.
And my phone must be unique, because if I get a call and don't answer it, it'll take a message, which I can listen to anytime. And the Facebook app doesn't delete a post (drivel) if I don't read it straightaway.
The reasons I touch my phone while driving are very different. For example I often use Waze and want to change my destination halfway through. My phone is in its cradle, so doing this is basically the same as changing destination on my TomTom unit in terms of actions (leaning forward and typing on the screen when safe, eg stopped in traffic/at a red light). And my phone must be unique, because if I get a call and don't answer it, it'll take a message, which I can listen to anytime. And the Facebook app doesn't delete a post (drivel) if I don't read it straightaway.
The law seems unclear on this and I really don't see why because it's the same exact act as fiddling with a tomtom or a dashboard control
Ken Figenus said:
I remain confused on this revised law as its unclear if you can touch a phone IF it is in a proper hands free cradle? Or does it just remain as before that you can not hand hold a device but its now stiffer penalties?
It's just the fixed penalty that has changed - the legislation remains unaffected.trying cycling in amongst rush hour traffic. Because you are overtaking everyone, endlessly, you go past a lot of stationary and slow moving traffic.
genuinely, every 3-4 th person is on their phone.
the most common thing, is its on their lap- head nodding downwards. so no one can tell they are using it obviously.
if its not emailing/texting: it's women mainly on moron book.
genuinely, every 3-4 th person is on their phone.
the most common thing, is its on their lap- head nodding downwards. so no one can tell they are using it obviously.
if its not emailing/texting: it's women mainly on moron book.
shovelheadrob said:
When will they make it a similar punishment for using a mobile phone while cycling, I see a similar percentage of cyclists texting while cycling "no hands" as I do in cars.
- 1 to 10 kg bicycle vs a 1 to 45 tons - Max of 25ish mph with extreme effort, vs max of 70mph (speed limit)
- no license vs license
Many more reasons.
Troll argument I know, but still worth point out the absurdities for the slow of thought.
austinsmirk said:
trying cycling in amongst rush hour traffic. Because you are overtaking everyone, endlessly, you go past a lot of stationary and slow moving traffic.
genuinely, every 3-4 th person is on their phone.
the most common thing, is its on their lap- head nodding downwards. so no one can tell they are using it obviously.
if its not emailing/texting: it's women mainly on moron book.
Do these figures (of around 25-30% of drivers using their phone) directly translate into crashes and/or injuries and death? genuinely, every 3-4 th person is on their phone.
the most common thing, is its on their lap- head nodding downwards. so no one can tell they are using it obviously.
if its not emailing/texting: it's women mainly on moron book.
Just shows what some people are like though...
The law: stop using your mobile phone while driving, you could kill someone. If we catch you, we'll penalise you.
Driver: ok, I'll put it in my lap and look at it secretly, they'll never spot it.
Why not just get a hands free and leave facebook, whatsapp and all the rest ALONE until you're not driving a car. FFS, its not difficult.
The law: stop using your mobile phone while driving, you could kill someone. If we catch you, we'll penalise you.
Driver: ok, I'll put it in my lap and look at it secretly, they'll never spot it.
Why not just get a hands free and leave facebook, whatsapp and all the rest ALONE until you're not driving a car. FFS, its not difficult.
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