So who is going to admit to 6 points, or knowing someone....
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cmaguire said:
Unsurprisingly, they can't help themselves and they still manage to nab more 'speeders' than anything else.
It was to target the fatal five, speed, seat belts, careless driving, drink/drug driving and mobiles/distractions. I helped with it and it worked really well. Something different.
You've got to be pretty stupid in my opinion to say driving down a country lane, in the wet, browsing facebook and swerving all over the place is comparable to checking a text in a traffic jam with your foot planted on the brake pedal.
But I guess the way the world is these days with H&S gone mad we have to have one over the top blanket rule that you can't look at your phone whilst 'driving'. Imagine there was this thing called common sense that police could use!!
But I guess the way the world is these days with H&S gone mad we have to have one over the top blanket rule that you can't look at your phone whilst 'driving'. Imagine there was this thing called common sense that police could use!!
OpulentBob said:
If you're stopped in traffic, and the stop/start has killed the engine (and assume handbrake on), are you still "driving" in relation to using a phone? (I guess the answer is "yes", but thought I'd ask as vonhosen is about and von is the law round these parts)
See my previous post re common sense.chrisb92 said:
You've got to be pretty stupid in my opinion to say driving down a country lane, in the wet, browsing facebook and swerving all over the place is comparable to checking a text in a traffic jam with your foot planted on the brake pedal.
But I guess the way the world is these days with H&S gone mad we have to have one over the top blanket rule that you can't look at your phone whilst 'driving'. Imagine there was this thing called common sense that police could use!!
Nothing to do with H & S. There are no "degrees of seriousness"; if you can't keep your hands off a phone when the law says you should, that's it. Its not difficult. Just put it down until you're out of the car. There are far more serious things in the world to get uptight about. Being told off when you know you're doing something wrong but disagree with the law isn't really one of them.But I guess the way the world is these days with H&S gone mad we have to have one over the top blanket rule that you can't look at your phone whilst 'driving'. Imagine there was this thing called common sense that police could use!!
Flip Martian said:
chrisb92 said:
You've got to be pretty stupid in my opinion to say driving down a country lane, in the wet, browsing facebook and swerving all over the place is comparable to checking a text in a traffic jam with your foot planted on the brake pedal.
But I guess the way the world is these days with H&S gone mad we have to have one over the top blanket rule that you can't look at your phone whilst 'driving'. Imagine there was this thing called common sense that police could use!!
Nothing to do with H & S. There are no "degrees of seriousness"; if you can't keep your hands off a phone when the law says you should, that's it. Its not difficult. Just put it down until you're out of the car. There are far more serious things in the world to get uptight about. Being told off when you know you're doing something wrong but disagree with the law isn't really one of them.But I guess the way the world is these days with H&S gone mad we have to have one over the top blanket rule that you can't look at your phone whilst 'driving'. Imagine there was this thing called common sense that police could use!!
So you don't think that officers should use a bit of common sense when it comes to this. I.E checking a text at a set of lights as a one off incident shouldn't be worth 6 points. Replying to a text whilst driving on a busy road during rush hour should be worth 6 points.
Unless of course you can tell me the harm of looking at my phone screen for 2 seconds whilst stationary??
chrisb92 said:
I'm not disputing the law? I would accept it if I got caught. I'm not particularly bothered as I have bluetooth in my car so I don't need to speak on the phone with it hand to ear.
So you don't think that officers should use a bit of common sense when it comes to this. I.E checking a text at a set of lights as a one off incident shouldn't be worth 6 points. Replying to a text whilst driving on a busy road during rush hour should be worth 6 points.
Unless of course you can tell me the harm of looking at my phone screen for 2 seconds whilst stationary??
because it wont be just then. You may send a message when stopped but then start moving again, the phone beebs and you do a quick reply back or look at it to see what it says.So you don't think that officers should use a bit of common sense when it comes to this. I.E checking a text at a set of lights as a one off incident shouldn't be worth 6 points. Replying to a text whilst driving on a busy road during rush hour should be worth 6 points.
Unless of course you can tell me the harm of looking at my phone screen for 2 seconds whilst stationary??
Don't use the phone when driving includes when stopped at lights. Pull over and turn the car off then make your call/text or use hands free/voice activation. Simples even I can do it.
Ki3r said:
It was to target the fatal five, speed, seat belts, careless driving, drink/drug driving and mobiles/distractions.
I helped with it and it worked really well. Something different.
I expect your motivations are sincere, but speed wouldn't even be in the top 5 if it was categorized accurately, although I would concede that it would appear higher up the list in an urban environment than notI helped with it and it worked really well. Something different.
(which is where you were wasn't it?).
chrisb92 said:
I'm not disputing the law? I would accept it if I got caught. I'm not particularly bothered as I have bluetooth in my car so I don't need to speak on the phone with it hand to ear.
So you don't think that officers should use a bit of common sense when it comes to this. I.E checking a text at a set of lights as a one off incident shouldn't be worth 6 points. Replying to a text whilst driving on a busy road during rush hour should be worth 6 points.
Unless of course you can tell me the harm of looking at my phone screen for 2 seconds whilst stationary??
I don't need to. As I already said, the law is clear. I can't change it, it is what it is. I happen to think it's sensible.So you don't think that officers should use a bit of common sense when it comes to this. I.E checking a text at a set of lights as a one off incident shouldn't be worth 6 points. Replying to a text whilst driving on a busy road during rush hour should be worth 6 points.
Unless of course you can tell me the harm of looking at my phone screen for 2 seconds whilst stationary??
chrisb92 said:
You've got to be pretty stupid in my opinion to say driving down a country lane, in the wet, browsing facebook and swerving all over the place is comparable to checking a text in a traffic jam with your foot planted on the brake pedal.
But I guess the way the world is these days with H&S gone mad we have to have one over the top blanket rule that you can't look at your phone whilst 'driving'. Imagine there was this thing called common sense that police could use!!
Why would you be sat in a traffic jam with your foot firmly on the brake? Do you not have any consideration for the person behind you getting blinded by your brake lights? How about the other person who also thinks it's ok to use their phone whilst driving and doesn't see you stationary at the lights or in the queue of traffic and shunts into the back of you? But I guess the way the world is these days with H&S gone mad we have to have one over the top blanket rule that you can't look at your phone whilst 'driving'. Imagine there was this thing called common sense that police could use!!
Are you one of those people who when the lights change to green, sit there for seconds before realising that the entire queue in front of you has moved off and only realise when the car behind gives you a hint by leaning on their horn?
I genuinely don't get what is so important about phone use whilst driving, unless it's a genuine emergency. There is nothing that can't wait until your next stop to deal with, which could be as soon as you can safely choose to be if there is a really urgent call that your waiting for.
fidzer said:
Are you one of those people who when the lights change to green, sit there for seconds before realising that the entire queue in front of you has moved off and only realise when the car behind gives you a hint by leaning on their horn?
Drives me mad. I have an advantage in that my truck has air horns (and a better view of the perps). When the mild 'beep' from a car ahead does nothing to shift these idiots, a full on blast of something akin to an approaching train or ferry turning in fog usually wakes them up.
They do it in stop start motorway traffic, too.
It's often quite fun to leave them alone just to see how completely unaware they are of their surroundings due to them being so engrossed with a screen.
There is a direct correlation between the distance the vehicles have moved ahead and the speed, panic and brutal acceleration displayed by the screen browser once they look up.
cmaguire said:
I expect your motivations are sincere, but speed wouldn't even be in the top 5 if it was categorized accurately, although I would concede that it would appear higher up the list in an urban environment than not
(which is where you were wasn't it?).
How would you categorise them then? (which is where you were wasn't it?).
Yep Plymouth city centre.
cmaguire said:
No personal responsibility because they were 'just following orders'?
I would choose my choice of career more carefully. The place is full of hypocrites enforcing rules upon others that they frequently ignore themselves.
I remember the first and (so far) the only time I've been handed points for speeding. After dishing out the telling off, the chap said "don't worry, I was caught doing exactly what you were doing in the same spot last week". Clearly I maintained my friendly and professional demeanour, but the thought going through my head was "fI would choose my choice of career more carefully. The place is full of hypocrites enforcing rules upon others that they frequently ignore themselves.
k me, you spend your Sunday afternoons enforcing rules you ignore yourself, what sort of mental gymnastics is required to justify that". My points expired 3 years later, I imagine that he is still tooling around enforcing rules that he ignores. On the phones, mine is generally on the passenger seat with my wallet, running Waze. I have sufficient self control not to answer it when driving, and have no interest in Facetwitter. I suspect that the genuinely dangerous people who text when going fast will stick their phones in cradles on the dashboard, and loads of terribly dangerous people doing 0 mph in traffic will get nicked.
fidzer said:
chrisb92 said:
You've got to be pretty stupid in my opinion to say driving down a country lane, in the wet, browsing facebook and swerving all over the place is comparable to checking a text in a traffic jam with your foot planted on the brake pedal.
But I guess the way the world is these days with H&S gone mad we have to have one over the top blanket rule that you can't look at your phone whilst 'driving'. Imagine there was this thing called common sense that police could use!!
Why would you be sat in a traffic jam with your foot firmly on the brake? Do you not have any consideration for the person behind you getting blinded by your brake lights? How about the other person who also thinks it's ok to use their phone whilst driving and doesn't see you stationary at the lights or in the queue of traffic and shunts into the back of you? But I guess the way the world is these days with H&S gone mad we have to have one over the top blanket rule that you can't look at your phone whilst 'driving'. Imagine there was this thing called common sense that police could use!!
Are you one of those people who when the lights change to green, sit there for seconds before realising that the entire queue in front of you has moved off and only realise when the car behind gives you a hint by leaning on their horn?
I genuinely don't get what is so important about phone use whilst driving, unless it's a genuine emergency. There is nothing that can't wait until your next stop to deal with, which could be as soon as you can safely choose to be if there is a really urgent call that your waiting for.
I was questioning the severity as I see it a lot and am really not bothered by it in traffic. Where do you draw the line? No eating? No passengers? No driving whilst you have a cold? No driving if you have hayfever and sneeze? No music? No sat nav? you must pull over and study a map where safe before continuing your journey.
chrisb92 said:
not sure if serious? I don't use my phone whilst driving, I never said I did.
I was questioning the severity as I see it a lot and am really not bothered by it in traffic. Where do you draw the line? No eating? No passengers? No driving whilst you have a cold? No driving if you have hayfever and sneeze? No music? No sat nav? you must pull over and study a map where safe before continuing your journey.
its really not hard - before sat navs then yes I would pull over and look at a map. If I wanted a feking meal I would stop and eat. I was questioning the severity as I see it a lot and am really not bothered by it in traffic. Where do you draw the line? No eating? No passengers? No driving whilst you have a cold? No driving if you have hayfever and sneeze? No music? No sat nav? you must pull over and study a map where safe before continuing your journey.
You don't drive or continue to drive if you are not in proper control of the car or able to do so. ie tired, ill or anything else.
The severity ? Have you seen the dash cam footate of the lorry driving into the back of the car killing its occupants because the lorry driver was on his mobile phone? Its serious you are not in control of the car if you are using the phone in your hand the same.
chrisb92 said:
fidzer said:
chrisb92 said:
You've got to be pretty stupid in my opinion to say driving down a country lane, in the wet, browsing facebook and swerving all over the place is comparable to checking a text in a traffic jam with your foot planted on the brake pedal.
But I guess the way the world is these days with H&S gone mad we have to have one over the top blanket rule that you can't look at your phone whilst 'driving'. Imagine there was this thing called common sense that police could use!!
Why would you be sat in a traffic jam with your foot firmly on the brake? Do you not have any consideration for the person behind you getting blinded by your brake lights? How about the other person who also thinks it's ok to use their phone whilst driving and doesn't see you stationary at the lights or in the queue of traffic and shunts into the back of you? But I guess the way the world is these days with H&S gone mad we have to have one over the top blanket rule that you can't look at your phone whilst 'driving'. Imagine there was this thing called common sense that police could use!!
Are you one of those people who when the lights change to green, sit there for seconds before realising that the entire queue in front of you has moved off and only realise when the car behind gives you a hint by leaning on their horn?
I genuinely don't get what is so important about phone use whilst driving, unless it's a genuine emergency. There is nothing that can't wait until your next stop to deal with, which could be as soon as you can safely choose to be if there is a really urgent call that your waiting for.
I was questioning the severity as I see it a lot and am really not bothered by it in traffic. Where do you draw the line? No eating? No passengers? No driving whilst you have a cold? No driving if you have hayfever and sneeze? No music? No sat nav? you must pull over and study a map where safe before continuing your journey.
The line clearly separates the 2 activities and makes them mutually exclusive except for the allowed exemptions that are also clearly defined.
'Use' is clearly defined too. You must not use your hand-held mobile telephone while driving.
Are those lines clear enough? I think they are, it couldn't be simpler.
4040vision said:
The line is drawn very clearly; it is drawn between driving and using your hand-held mobile telephone.
The line clearly separates the 2 activities and makes them mutually exclusive except for the allowed exemptions that are also clearly defined.
'Use' is clearly defined too. You must not use your hand-held mobile telephone while driving.
Are those lines clear enough? I think they are, it couldn't be simpler.
I think it is actually "you must not HOLD your mobile phone". Phone stuck on dashboard - fine under the terms of this legislation. Clearly you have to be in control etc. The line clearly separates the 2 activities and makes them mutually exclusive except for the allowed exemptions that are also clearly defined.
'Use' is clearly defined too. You must not use your hand-held mobile telephone while driving.
Are those lines clear enough? I think they are, it couldn't be simpler.
rxe said:
4040vision said:
The line is drawn very clearly; it is drawn between driving and using your hand-held mobile telephone.
The line clearly separates the 2 activities and makes them mutually exclusive except for the allowed exemptions that are also clearly defined.
'Use' is clearly defined too. You must not use your hand-held mobile telephone while driving.
Are those lines clear enough? I think they are, it couldn't be simpler.
I think it is actually "you must not HOLD your mobile phone". Phone stuck on dashboard - fine under the terms of this legislation. Clearly you have to be in control etc. The line clearly separates the 2 activities and makes them mutually exclusive except for the allowed exemptions that are also clearly defined.
'Use' is clearly defined too. You must not use your hand-held mobile telephone while driving.
Are those lines clear enough? I think they are, it couldn't be simpler.
Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986
...
Mobile telephones
110.—(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on a road if he is using—
(a)a hand-held mobile telephone; ...
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