Are Artics still limited to 56Mph?
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GC8 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Three of the four roads he named are major trunk routes in England.
You're still 'knowledgeably' posting on a topic about which you know f
k-all, as usual.TooMany2cvs said:
heebeegeetee said:
Scotty2 said:
It's the 40 mph on A roads that is the killer. A15, A75, A47, A17 to name but a few that have fields either side but are still single carrigeway.
I thought that had changed, isn't it 50mph now?A15 - Hull to Peterborough. Definitely England.
A74 - yes, that one's Scotland. It finishes about 35m short of the border, tbf, but it's definitely 100% Scotland.
A47 - Brum to Gt Yarmouth. Definitely England.
A17 - Newark to Kings Lynn. Definitely England.
7.5t+ speed limit raised from 40mph to 50mph on single carriageways (and 50 to 60 on dual carriageways), from 6th April 2015.
https://movingon.blog.gov.uk/2015/03/18/reminder-h...
So, tell me again how that's...
GC8 said:
'knowledgeably' posting on a topic about which you know fk-all, as usual.
...rather than you just popping up to throw some random toys out of your pram without pausing for a moment to actually consider what the grown-ups are talking about?k-all, as usual.You're obviously having a bit of a tantrum day today, having a pop almost simultaneously at AGTLaw in another thread - "almost impossible to like" and "odious sneering", indeed...
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Sunday 12th March 20:43
Just recently while in my works van which is limited to 68mph I tried to overtake a hgv tipper truck on a long straight stretch of road,there was nothing coming in the opposite direction for well over half a mile and it should have been a quick simple and safe overtake,but the wker of an hgv driver decided to put his foot down and I accelerated the van to max speed and just could not get past the truck and had to brake and abandon the overtake,as there was also an oncoming vehicle getting close.
If I had given the reg no. of the truck and told the police that I believed its speed limiter had been tampered with would they be likely to have gone and checked it out?
ker of an hgv driver decided to put his foot down and I accelerated the van to max speed and just could not get past the truck and had to brake and abandon the overtake,as there was also an oncoming vehicle getting close.If I had given the reg no. of the truck and told the police that I believed its speed limiter had been tampered with would they be likely to have gone and checked it out?
TooMany2cvs said:
HD Adam said:
Anyone think we will come out of these ridiculous EU imposed limits after Brexit and go back to HGV's being able to do the actual limit?
Apart from the minor detail that any wagons wishing to work within the EU would still have to have them, the UK would also have to leave the United Nations, since these are UNECE requirements and regulations, as well as EU.At least it would stop the ridiculous elephant racing on dual carriageways.
Not sure about the UNECE regs but the USA is in the UN and they certainly don't have speed limiters.
All trucks are required to be limited to 56mph but the speed limits for dual and Motorways still apply, i.e. 60mph (unless posted otherwise). The limiter does not stop them getting to 60 or more e.g. coasting downhill (particularly if knocking it out of gear the inertial mass will quickly cause it to pick up considerable speed).
The Speedo is no more accurate than the speedo in any car, it will over-record , particularly on new tyres as it has to account for tyre wear, the diameter on a truck tyres will reduce by several cms over it's normal service life and hence will affect the distance covered by each revolution of the wheel and hence true road speed will be reduced in relation to the indicated speed (but should still record over as is required by law).
Regrettably there are still many unscrupulous employed drivers (and to a lesser extent operators/owner drivers) who choose to tamper with limiters, one of the most common methods recently was a large magnet in a particular spot on the gearbox housing that 'interrupts' the signal on the speed limiting hardware but there are also more sophisticated methods that use a device to temporarily 'over-write the speed limiter software with a higher (or off setting ) setting, usually controlled by the driver with a switch setting or keyfob or such, problem with this is it is harder to remove and can be 'found' in roadstop stop/searches etc
If found out the penalities can be harsh and worse than harsh if involved in an accident not to mention the potential consequnces of the accident itself as the exponential increase in momentum a 44tonner has as the speed ramps up
The Speedo is no more accurate than the speedo in any car, it will over-record , particularly on new tyres as it has to account for tyre wear, the diameter on a truck tyres will reduce by several cms over it's normal service life and hence will affect the distance covered by each revolution of the wheel and hence true road speed will be reduced in relation to the indicated speed (but should still record over as is required by law).
Regrettably there are still many unscrupulous employed drivers (and to a lesser extent operators/owner drivers) who choose to tamper with limiters, one of the most common methods recently was a large magnet in a particular spot on the gearbox housing that 'interrupts' the signal on the speed limiting hardware but there are also more sophisticated methods that use a device to temporarily 'over-write the speed limiter software with a higher (or off setting ) setting, usually controlled by the driver with a switch setting or keyfob or such, problem with this is it is harder to remove and can be 'found' in roadstop stop/searches etc
If found out the penalities can be harsh and worse than harsh if involved in an accident not to mention the potential consequnces of the accident itself as the exponential increase in momentum a 44tonner has as the speed ramps up
HD Adam said:
TooMany2cvs said:
HD Adam said:
Anyone think we will come out of these ridiculous EU imposed limits after Brexit and go back to HGV's being able to do the actual limit?
Apart from the minor detail that any wagons wishing to work within the EU would still have to have them, the UK would also have to leave the United Nations, since these are UNECE requirements and regulations, as well as EU.HD Adam said:
Not sure about the UNECE regs but the USA is in the UN and they certainly don't have speed limiters.
Clue: UNECE = United Nations Economic Comission for Europe.A number of years ago, a brand new state of the art animal transporter turned up at my brother's farm to collect a load of livestock. This hugely expensive trailer was being pulled by a rough E-reg tractor unit. When we asked him if he was still saving up for a new tractor unit, he told us that for all the perishable and live animal stuff he uses the old unit as it doesn't have a limiter on it.
This was in the late 90s so there probably aren't many ancient tractor units still on the roads.
This was in the late 90s so there probably aren't many ancient tractor units still on the roads.
TooMany2cvs said:
HD Adam said:
TooMany2cvs said:
HD Adam said:
Anyone think we will come out of these ridiculous EU imposed limits after Brexit and go back to HGV's being able to do the actual limit?
Apart from the minor detail that any wagons wishing to work within the EU would still have to have them, the UK would also have to leave the United Nations, since these are UNECE requirements and regulations, as well as EU.HD Adam said:
Not sure about the UNECE regs but the USA is in the UN and they certainly don't have speed limiters.
Clue: UNECE = United Nations Economic Comission for Europe.Secondly, I don't believe we would need to leave the UN over it.
Why don't you tell us instead why trucks shouldn't be able to do the speed limit?
HD Adam said:
TooMany2cvs said:
HD Adam said:
TooMany2cvs said:
HD Adam said:
Anyone think we will come out of these ridiculous EU imposed limits after Brexit and go back to HGV's being able to do the actual limit?
Apart from the minor detail that any wagons wishing to work within the EU would still have to have them, the UK would also have to leave the United Nations, since these are UNECE requirements and regulations, as well as EU.HD Adam said:
Not sure about the UNECE regs but the USA is in the UN and they certainly don't have speed limiters.
Clue: UNECE = United Nations Economic Comission for Europe.HD Adam said:
Secondly, I don't believe we would need to leave the UN over it.
So you think that one member country can pick and choose which UNECE regulations apply to it? Kinda makes them pointless, don't you think?BTW, don't forget that the UK unilaterally introduced goods vehicle speed limiters in the early 90s, before any European requirement.
wildone63 said:
Just recently while in my works van which is limited to 68mph I tried to overtake a hgv tipper truck on a long straight stretch of road,there was nothing coming in the opposite direction for well over half a mile and it should have been a quick simple and safe overtake,but the wker of an hgv driver decided to put his foot down and I accelerated the van to max speed and just could not get past the truck and had to brake and abandon the overtake,as there was also an oncoming vehicle getting close.
If I had given the reg no. of the truck and told the police that I believed its speed limiter had been tampered with would they be likely to have gone and checked it out?
Well this sort of prompted my original question. My vans limited to 70. The gps reads it as a true speed of 67mph. As for knocking the van out of gear on a long decline it's not easy to increase your speed , i have tried!ker of an hgv driver decided to put his foot down and I accelerated the van to max speed and just could not get past the truck and had to brake and abandon the overtake,as there was also an oncoming vehicle getting close.If I had given the reg no. of the truck and told the police that I believed its speed limiter had been tampered with would they be likely to have gone and checked it out?
Thanks for the informative answers , there seem's to be a number of variations on a number of Hgv's. I have seen most sat at 56mph. Just others have noticeably been nearing 70 , albeit on a gradient.
Several of the truck manufacturers now have the ECU set up to drop them into neutral if it detects the speed rising about the limiter - Volvo being the most well known one but the newer Merc's do it as well. You don't need to have much weight on your back for that to happen and even on a very slight decline it will drop into neutral and start to gather pace. You can manually set the retarder to what level of overrun you want. The Volvo's allow you set +15 kmh overrun which means it'll roll to about 65mph before the retarder engages and drops down into 10th or 11th gear to hold the speed. Most "logistics" drivers will keep it under 60 as they're frightened to death of being told off by some spotty 18yr old in the office for getting an overspeed infringement but plenty of drivers let them run on (myself included) as it's often an excellent opportunity to make a quick overtake of another truck rather than a lengthy overtake on the flat which I try to avoid where possible.
A max weight artic will roll a considerable distance on over the overrun or in eco mode. For example in a Volvo you don't have to touch the accelerator at all on the M1 from Tibshelf services all the way to J29.
There's a fair few trucks that have a "good" limiter, set around 57-58mph, but they're the minority rather than the norm. Even the Irish boys don't coming flying past as much as they used to, unless they're late for the boat. Most of the continental foreigners do 56 like us, except for the Dutch flower boys.
A max weight artic will roll a considerable distance on over the overrun or in eco mode. For example in a Volvo you don't have to touch the accelerator at all on the M1 from Tibshelf services all the way to J29.
There's a fair few trucks that have a "good" limiter, set around 57-58mph, but they're the minority rather than the norm. Even the Irish boys don't coming flying past as much as they used to, unless they're late for the boat. Most of the continental foreigners do 56 like us, except for the Dutch flower boys.
Alternatively, educate the drivers so that they just drop it off a couple of clicks to let you pass.
I drive one so I know how bad it is, when you get "hung out to dry" by the loaded truck your 3 quarters of the way past until he hits the hill and lets it roll away.
"some" drivers im sure are under the impression that if they back off for that 2 seconds to let you past that they are going to end up stuck out in a layby a million miles from home.....
It really is nt goin to happen.
Im lucky that I run early in the morning (1am/2am/3am) are my start times thru the week, depending on delivery time slots, and then ill be parked up 11/12 hours later.
I drive one so I know how bad it is, when you get "hung out to dry" by the loaded truck your 3 quarters of the way past until he hits the hill and lets it roll away.
"some" drivers im sure are under the impression that if they back off for that 2 seconds to let you past that they are going to end up stuck out in a layby a million miles from home.....
It really is nt goin to happen.
Im lucky that I run early in the morning (1am/2am/3am) are my start times thru the week, depending on delivery time slots, and then ill be parked up 11/12 hours later.
Evanivitch said:
PorkInsider said:
Evanivitch said:
It could be true, but it does vary greatly. Older vehicles tend to be nearer 10%, newer vehicles often less than 5%, but certainly not close to 1-2%.
Mine reads 80mph on the speedo at a GPS 79mph.Had a 57 plate Crafter that ran a tacho, dash read 5 mph over the 100 kph warning when in scope.
Satnav was on the nose speed wise so got into the habit of watching that over the speedo.
Changed vans and still use the nav for an accurate speed, even through average speed cams.
You do notice the difference - vans towing at 60 vs 56 of trucks - though up hill its a silly thing to try and outdrag a 700bhp Scania
Satnav was on the nose speed wise so got into the habit of watching that over the speedo.
Changed vans and still use the nav for an accurate speed, even through average speed cams.
You do notice the difference - vans towing at 60 vs 56 of trucks - though up hill its a silly thing to try and outdrag a 700bhp Scania
cossy400 said:
Alternatively, educate the drivers so that they just drop it off a couple of clicks to let you pass.
I drive one so I know how bad it is, when you get "hung out to dry" by the loaded truck your 3 quarters of the way past until he hits the hill and lets it roll away.
"some" drivers im sure are under the impression that if they back off for that 2 seconds to let you past that they are going to end up stuck out in a layby a million miles from home.....
It really is nt goin to happen.
Im lucky that I run early in the morning (1am/2am/3am) are my start times thru the week, depending on delivery time slots, and then ill be parked up 11/12 hours later.
So true the highlighted bit I drive one so I know how bad it is, when you get "hung out to dry" by the loaded truck your 3 quarters of the way past until he hits the hill and lets it roll away.
"some" drivers im sure are under the impression that if they back off for that 2 seconds to let you past that they are going to end up stuck out in a layby a million miles from home.....
It really is nt goin to happen.
Im lucky that I run early in the morning (1am/2am/3am) are my start times thru the week, depending on delivery time slots, and then ill be parked up 11/12 hours later.
. You forgot the one about their frozen load of ice cream being rejected by Tesco for missing their booking time if they dare to turn off the CC too.Old Tyke said:
cossy400 said:
Alternatively, educate the drivers so that they just drop it off a couple of clicks to let you pass.
I drive one so I know how bad it is, when you get "hung out to dry" by the loaded truck your 3 quarters of the way past until he hits the hill and lets it roll away.
"some" drivers im sure are under the impression that if they back off for that 2 seconds to let you past that they are going to end up stuck out in a layby a million miles from home.....
It really is nt goin to happen.
Im lucky that I run early in the morning (1am/2am/3am) are my start times thru the week, depending on delivery time slots, and then ill be parked up 11/12 hours later.
So true the highlighted bit I drive one so I know how bad it is, when you get "hung out to dry" by the loaded truck your 3 quarters of the way past until he hits the hill and lets it roll away.
"some" drivers im sure are under the impression that if they back off for that 2 seconds to let you past that they are going to end up stuck out in a layby a million miles from home.....
It really is nt goin to happen.
Im lucky that I run early in the morning (1am/2am/3am) are my start times thru the week, depending on delivery time slots, and then ill be parked up 11/12 hours later.
. You forgot the one about their frozen load of ice cream being rejected by Tesco for missing their booking time if they dare to turn off the CC too.We have lad at my place that refuse a straight run there and back on a Fri,as the think they ll gt stranded out, they can go as early as they and its 345 one way and then add abit for the way back.
NOPE IM NOT BEING OUT ON A FRIDAY. if you just went instead of arguing the toss you d be gone and back, idiots.
traffman said:
Well this sort of prompted my original question. My vans limited to 70. The gps reads it as a true speed of 67mph. As for knocking the van out of gear on a long decline it's not easy to increase your speed , i have tried!
In a van you won't, my 7.5 tonner doesn't pick up any speed coming down the Stokenchurch Hill on the M40 if i knock it into neutral, it actually slows down. You just don't have the weight behind you to make a difference. Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff