Scaffolding Lorry/Van

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PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

175 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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Riley Blue said:
PAULJ5555 said:
He obviously has no consideration for others so why should the OP
How so, he's parked a taxed, insured vehicle perfectly legally.
Ah the good old its legal so im alright Jack.

Its perfectly legal to scratch my ar5e and pick my nose in public - but I don't.

Riley Blue

20,915 posts

225 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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PAULJ5555 said:
Riley Blue said:
PAULJ5555 said:
He obviously has no consideration for others so why should the OP
How so, he's parked a taxed, insured vehicle perfectly legally.
Ah the good old its legal so im alright Jack.

Its perfectly legal to scratch my ar5e and pick my nose in public - but I don't.
I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave at 14:00 yesterday.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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Hackney said:
It's my concern if I have to pay tax on something that you / your employees don't.
You gave an example where you let employees take the vans home at night. That's private use. The same thing that company car drivers get hit for. Because the car is seen as a perk, however essential it is for the job.
AFAIK, the following applies to my lads -

'Employees who use a commercial vehicle which is only available for business purposes, and remember this includes travel from their home to their normal place of work, have no BIK tax liability whatsoever.'

Back on topic...


PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

175 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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Riley Blue said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Riley Blue said:
PAULJ5555 said:
He obviously has no consideration for others so why should the OP
How so, he's parked a taxed, insured vehicle perfectly legally.
Ah the good old its legal so im alright Jack.

Its perfectly legal to scratch my ar5e and pick my nose in public - but I don't.
I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave at 14:00 yesterday.
I refer you over to the post made at 12:12 and the following 2 posts, you will see that you removed 12:12 from your reply, I was making comment on this post not the OP's post so my point still stands.

vsonix

3,858 posts

162 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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PAULJ5555 said:
Ah the good old its legal so im alright Jack.

Its perfectly legal to scratch my ar5e and pick my nose in public - but I don't.
That's your choice. Personally I reckon if you fancy a scratch/pick, go for it. It's your arse/nose.

MoggieMinor

457 posts

144 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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To be fair that truck is parked legally. Unlike most round here who 'bring the van home' to join their other 3 or 4 cars they have not got a driveway for. These vans get dumped blocking pavements and churning up the grass verges.

The pavements and verges need bollards along them.

KevinCamaroSS

11,555 posts

279 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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Insert Coin said:
AFAIK, the following applies to my lads -

'Employees who use a commercial vehicle which is only available for business purposes, and remember this includes travel from their home to their normal place of work, have no BIK tax liability whatsoever.'

Back on topic...
Quite correct providing there is no other private use. This is where vans differ from cars.

Alex_225

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6,234 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Well this thread has been busy haha.

In terms of the aesthetics of the vehicle, well that's just opinion so if it's legal then tough sh!t on that one haha. My neighbour parks a bloody great box van on his drive which is ugly and actually blocks light out of the downstairs bedroom but not much I can (or care) to do about that.

The main issue for that scaffolding van is that the back of it is deceptively wider than the front so on a narrow road you only realise when you're passing that square edge at the back. Also, being that bit wider and parking opposite driveways it makes the turn in/out quite a bit trickier. But hey, if it's legal then I guess he needs to just be considerate if possible.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Alex_225 said:
The main issue for that scaffolding van is that the back of it is deceptively wider than the front
Umm, it's the EXACT same width for about three-quarters of the length - and, even then, the cab isn't THAT much narrower, is it...? The mirrors are the widest point, and they're very near the front.


Alex_225

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6,234 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Well he has tucked the mirrors in there so they're not the issue. The photo was just taken to show the type of vehicle rather than an in depth insight into the width of the vehicle compared to the road.

What I would say is that because the road is narrow, when you look along it, all the regular cars (varying in size) are narrower and this thing juts out into the road. Deceptive when driving at night.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Alex_225 said:
What I would say is that because the road is narrow, when you look along it, all the regular cars (varying in size) are narrower and this thing juts out into the road. Deceptive when driving at night.
Quick google says a Mk7 Transit dropside is about 40mm wider than an old-shape XC90...

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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KevinCamaroSS said:
Quite correct providing there is no other private use. This is where vans differ from cars.
Thank you for confirming, I felt pretty sure we were being advised correctly,

Now where's that miserable fecker who was complaining about my van drivers dodging BIK? laugh

Alex_225

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6,234 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Quick google says a Mk7 Transit dropside is about 40mm wider than an old-shape XC90...
Well thankfully none of the neighbours have one of those either. rolleyes


TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Alex_225 said:
Well thankfully none of the neighbours have one of those either. rolleyes
Not even the one that's nose-to-nose with it in the photo?

Collectingbrass

2,198 posts

194 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Alex_225 said:
Well he has tucked the mirrors in there so they're not the issue. The photo was just taken to show the type of vehicle rather than an in depth insight into the width of the vehicle compared to the road.

What I would say is that because the road is narrow, when you look along it, all the regular cars (varying in size) are narrower and this thing juts out into the road. Deceptive when driving at night.
What's deceptive at night is the lack of marker boards & lights on the overhang, plus the length of overhang from the rear axle might also be problematic ( http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=141... . If the OP wanted to be a tt concerned citizen about it VOSA's number is 0300 123 9000, but as others have said, I wouldn't pick a fight with a scaffolder...

Riley Blue

20,915 posts

225 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Look out for the dog...


Alex_225

Original Poster:

6,234 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Not even the one that's nose-to-nose with it in the photo?
Oooh you're good, you must be a detective!! lol

Collectingbrass said:
What's deceptive at night is the lack of marker boards & lights on the overhang, plus the length of overhang from the rear axle might also be problematic ( http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=141... . If the OP wanted to be a tt concerned citizen about it VOSA's number is 0300 123 9000, but as others have said, I wouldn't pick a fight with a scaffolder...
That's exactly the point I was getting too is that at night it's very easy to misjudge flatbed part of the van and as I understand it has caught a handful of drivers by surprise when parking etc.

Thanks for all the replies though (apart from perhaps the typical PH pedants!), it's my mum's road not mine so I'm in no position to cause a fuss or issues for the guy. If it's legal, it's legal, can't really kick off too much but if it was causing me some bother I may suggest perhaps marking the sides of the van so it stands out at night.

Digby

8,230 posts

245 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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I think the drivers in this road need some training if this takes them by surprise! hehe

Old Tyke

288 posts

85 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Digby said:
I think the drivers in this road need some training if this takes them by surprise! hehe
It's quite clear that this thread is only here to complain about the view from his lounge window hence the repeated and desperate attempts to find some legality issue so that he can anonymously bell up the authorities from behind his net curtains and have them get it shifted for him. If it was only about the dimensions of the vehicle (as his OP claimed) then having been provided with the proof that the vehicle isn't breaking any rules, the thread would have died several days ago and been forgotten about by now.

Alex_225

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6,234 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Old Tyke said:
It's quite clear that this thread is only here to complain about the view from his lounge window hence the repeated and desperate attempts to find some legality issue so that he can anonymously bell up the authorities from behind his net curtains and have them get it shifted for him. If it was only about the dimensions of the vehicle (as his OP claimed) then having been provided with the proof that the vehicle isn't breaking any rules, the thread would have died several days ago and been forgotten about by now.
You sir are a fine representative of PH, the side that gives the forum a bad name!

May I suggest that before you berate the OP (me in this case) that maybe you read the actual thread?

For your benefit I will summarise, this is not my road this is the road my mother lives on and she asked me if I knew anything about the legalities of such a vehicle as neighbours had commented on it being a bit of a pain. I thought since there's some decent knowledge from people on here I'd ask and my curiosity was sated within the first few posts but others went on to discuss. This has literally nothing to do with whether I get to look at the thing parked on the road as I can't see it from my house, mainly for the fact that iI live five miles away from where I'm talking about.

So please, don't just lay into someone when you're misinformed.

Edited by Alex_225 on Wednesday 22 March 15:47

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