Banned from taking photos on Public Transport
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A former TfL Traffic Enforcement manager then boss of the British Parking Association has been banned from taking pictures or video on public transport via a sexual harm prevention order.
How on earth can this be enforced... you only have to lift you phone to your ear and press the button, or purchase one of the many hidden camera props available.
He was spotted and reported by a member of the public after offending unchecked for ten months - surely this order is going to prove difficult to carry out without a large degree of cooperation from the perpetrator.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3133778/british-park...
How on earth can this be enforced... you only have to lift you phone to your ear and press the button, or purchase one of the many hidden camera props available.
He was spotted and reported by a member of the public after offending unchecked for ten months - surely this order is going to prove difficult to carry out without a large degree of cooperation from the perpetrator.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3133778/british-park...
The Sun said:
PERVY PARKING CHIEF British Parking Association boss quits in disgrace after being caught prowling trains to film up commuters’ skirts
HantsRat said:
It's the same as any restriction. Quite often people are banned from accessing the internet, again what's to stop them using their phone or taking out a new phone contract for internet access.
Their phone provider will be told about any prevention orders. They will also be visited by officers to check. Get caught breaching an order and face a much more stringent sentence (stringent when combined with the first issue) or recall to prison. You don't even need to be convicted of anything to get one of those orders either, just suspected of being a nonce, which does kind of go against innocent until proven guilty.
I think their idea was that the person is less likely to escalate to more serious things if they nip it in the bud now. However im sure some will, without the "hit" of thier minor nonce behaviour skip to something more serious.
I think their idea was that the person is less likely to escalate to more serious things if they nip it in the bud now. However im sure some will, without the "hit" of thier minor nonce behaviour skip to something more serious.
As someone above mentions, if he is on a SOPO then he'll get semi-regular visits from the PPU.
It isn't easy for them to find anything - they will be allowed to search his phone, but almost certainly there will be nothing in his SOPO to say he isn't allowed to own a second phone.
It's a restriction and if he is caught then as somebody else said, the penalties for a breach are pretty high. However even if he does carry on he'd have to be bloody stupid to get caught.
It isn't easy for them to find anything - they will be allowed to search his phone, but almost certainly there will be nothing in his SOPO to say he isn't allowed to own a second phone.
It's a restriction and if he is caught then as somebody else said, the penalties for a breach are pretty high. However even if he does carry on he'd have to be bloody stupid to get caught.
Sgt Bilko said:
Their phone provider will be told about any prevention orders. They will also be visited by officers to check. Get caught breaching an order and face a much more stringent sentence (stringent when combined with the first issue) or recall to prison.
And what's to stop them getting a PAYG data SIM then just hiding the phone when officers attend to check? HantsRat said:
And what's to stop them getting a PAYG data then just hiding the phone when officers attend to check?
Professionally curious or genning up?Nothing of course. Just run the risk of getting caught on an unnaounced visit. The more devious at ignoring the SOPO the more chance of a longer custodial. Same goes for VIrtual Machines operating on a PC with VPN/Tunnels. A lot of PPUs are trained by the cyber crime teams on what to look out for.
Sgt Bilko said:
Professionally curious or genning up?
Nothing of course. Just run the risk of getting caught on an unnaounced visit. The more devious at ignoring the SOPO the more chance of a longer custodial. Same goes for VIrtual Machines operating on a PC with VPN/Tunnels. A lot of PPUs are trained by the cyber crime teams on what to look out for.
Yes true however these unannounced visits are not raids where they put the door through. It's a polite knock on door. Nothing to stop said person hiding a phone every time the door is knocked. Most people will comply with conditions just simply saying there is nothing really out there to stop someone ignoring them. Nothing of course. Just run the risk of getting caught on an unnaounced visit. The more devious at ignoring the SOPO the more chance of a longer custodial. Same goes for VIrtual Machines operating on a PC with VPN/Tunnels. A lot of PPUs are trained by the cyber crime teams on what to look out for.
HantsRat said:
Yes true however these unannounced visits are not raids where they put the door through. It's a polite knock on door. Nothing to stop said person hiding a phone every time the door is knocked. Most people will comply with conditions just simply saying there is nothing really out there to stop someone ignoring them.
I didn't say they were tactical raids at any point did I? They're only as good as the boss sent to knock on. ;-)funkyrobot said:
Not much of a thread, as it only has the opening post in it. (At the time of writing this post - 17.09)Mandat said:
funkyrobot said:
Not much of a thread, as it only has the opening post in it. (At the time of writing this post - 17.09)
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