how many of you are breaking the law without even realising?

[hairyben]

Wow what a lot of p!ss'n'moan. I'm not one for increased interference but I've always been amazed at the number of mouth breathers who willingly place such devices right in their sightline creating blind spots without seeming to think anything of it.

Todays people are increasingly a race of moron-drones that need/want/require others to think for them and tell them exactly whats right and wrong so I guess that validates such patronising nonsense.

[herewego]

mp3manager said:

Don't be so stupid. All the things you've mentioned have been type approved.

Don't know what all the hubbub is about, it's been illegal for years to have stuff encroaching into the wiper sweep. Slow news day?

Although the law only seems to say this:

"Regulation 30 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 (SI 1986 No. 1078
as amended) requires that:
(1) Every motor vehicle shall be so designed and constructed that the driver thereof while
controlling the vehicle can at all times have a full view of the road and traffic ahead of
the motor vehicle.
(2) Instead of complying with the requirement of paragraph (1) a vehicle may comply with
Community Directive 77/649, 81/643, 88/366, 90/630 or, in the case of an agricultural
motor vehicle, 79/1073.
(3) All glass or other transparent material fitted to a motor vehicle shall be maintained in
such condition that it does not obscure the vision of the driver while the vehicle is
being driven on a road."

And the swept area stuff just seems to be guidance for the MOT testers.

[akirk]

When driving my z3 - which has an overly large mirror on the windscreen v. size of windscreen - I am conscious that there are blind spots and in certain situations (e.g. left bends in a town) I have to consciously move my head to check around that blind spot or it is easy to miss a pedestrian etc.

If I were to place a satnav on the windscreen in the middle as many do - I would have virtually no vision there - so the satnav sits on a bracket on the air vents below the windscreen and dash...

ultimately it is common sense - maximise your vision for safety - whatever the legal or mot rules might be if a driver consciously makes a decision that blocks some of their vision then they could be seen to be driving dangerously I would have no issue with the police picking up on that - they aren't likely to stop you for having a small satnav in a large windscreen - but an ipad? who is silly enough to do that!?!

[Fort Jefferson]

Slow said:

4cm is very small, I would assume that means all windscreen mounted satnavs are illegal pretty much.

And dash cams.

[akirk]

Fort Jefferson said:

Slow said:

4cm is very small, I would assume that means all windscreen mounted satnavs are illegal pretty much.

And dash cams.

probably okay behind the mirror?

[mybrainhurts]

donkmeister said:

Makes a lot of police cars illegal, from what I've seen...

Yup, I see a lot of them using what I assume are their own devices. Middle of the screen, usually.

Didn't take long to find one....



I'm told that no smoking sign is illegally positioned, too.

Another crap motoring law.

Edited by mybrainhurts on Thursday 23 March 22:38

[anniesdad]

On the rare occasion I've had to stick something to the screen I've always mounted it high up right next to the rear view mirror, it just seems to make much more sense to me there, out of the way, roughly eye level, and next to something that's blocking off a big part of the screen anyway. The only minor issue with this is any charge cable required, I just let it dangle, but the cable doesn't get in the way.

Edited by anniesdad on Friday 24th March 10:50

[4040vision]

zarjaz1991 said:

I suppose the 'hubbub' could be around the police focusing on trivial motoring matters such as satnavs on windscreens, while marauding criminals run riot across the country unfettered and untroubled by the police.

Well unfortunately some criminals get arsey when the police stop them for no reason other than for a look. Fortunately criminals committing major offences also commit relatively trivial offence too so with this particular "trivial" matter the police often happen upon major crimes when'd dealing with minor matters.
Thankfully the term "criminal mastermind" is pure fantasy.
So that's one reason to have the police look at this and of course it allows the criminally thick more vision and avoid mowing people down because they can't see where they are going.

[mybrainhurts]

anniesdad said:

On the rare occasion I've had to stick something to the screen I've always mounted it high up right next to the rear view mirror, it just seems to make much more sense to me there, out of the way, roughly eye level, and next to something that's blocking off a big part of the screen anyway. The only minor issue with this is any charge cable required, I just let it dangle, but the cable doesn't get in the way.

I find it better in line with the steering wheel, low down, instrument level-ish...

Edited by mybrainhurts on Friday 24th March 16:46

[Willy Nilly]

I can hardly see out of the right hand door in my company vehicle

By the time it has this http://www.dickey-john.com/product/autosection-con... this http://www.lh-agro.co.uk/x30-console.asp the controls for this http://www.cropsprayers.com/Chafer/products-2/prod... and a CCTV monitor it's a job to see out

[4040vision]

Here's an idea. When you are driving why not just drive FFS?

[Kenny Powers]

If only common sense were common

I'd like to think most Police officers would exercise a modicum of 'not being a prick' when it comes to this, but in this instance, clearly whomever is being paid to sit on Twitter spouting legislation disagrees.

No one is going to be prosecuted for attaching a regular sized sat-nav in the bottom centre of their windscreen. What a waste of electricity. I'd like to see the carbon footprint for these fking asinine Police rants.

[mybrainhurts]

Kenny Powers said:

If only common sense were common

I'd like to think most Police officers would exercise a modicum of 'not being a prick' when it comes to this, but in this instance, clearly whomever is being paid to sit on Twitter spouting legislation disagrees.

No one is going to be prosecuted for attaching a regular sized sat-nav in the bottom centre of their windscreen. What a waste of electricity. I'd like to see the carbon footprint for these fking asinine Police rants.

You only need one arsey plod and you've got 6 points.

I'd say being cautious is common sense.

[The Mad Monk]

djneils98 said:

https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/84419456...

and

https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/84420028...


see people doing this all the time. didn't realise it was an offence. do others?

I knew.

[cmaguire]

Offence or not, the real shame is that some drivers think it acceptable to limit their already restricted vision (A-pillars etc) with detritus of any kind. You could substitute this technological crap for furry dice or animals hanging from the rear view mirror, or windows with masses of stickers all over them.

People are stupid, and that stupidity doesn't stop when they are in their vehicles. End of story.