Inheritance advice needed

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Qcarchoo

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471 posts

193 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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A friend of mine's father has recently died suddenly and there is a question over who inherits what.
There was a solicitor's letter with a draft will leaving everything to her but the will was never signed and witnessed.
The only other relatives are two cousins in their late seventies who have not had contact with the father since childhood.

The complicated part is that my friends mother and father divorced shortly after she was born and the mother remarried. The new husband then legally adopted his step daughter so she could take his surname (he was a widower with a young child already).

The probate office have told my friend that she cannot act as executor because she is adopted out of the family and one of the cousins has taken the role.
As it stands, my friend is missing out on a substantial inheritance and both cousins (who don't need the money) will inherit, against the wishes of the deceased.

Does anyone have any idea whether this is worth contesting. Her solicitor is saying not.

Truffles

577 posts

184 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Executor and beneficiary are two different things.

Sounds like there is no will, so the UK Gov website here https://www.gov.uk/inherits-someone-dies-without-w... may help.

E36GUY

5,906 posts

218 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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I don't know about these things but surely a question to be answered is whether your friend had an active and agreeable relationship with her real father over the course of her life post-divorce? I would think that an unsigned will held by a solicitor is, at the very least, a statement of intent on the part of the deceased.

Qcarchoo

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193 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Thanks. We've looked at the government website but it doesn't deal with the technicalities. For instance, he did have a sister but she died unmarried and childless. The questionnaire stops at that point.

kowalski655

14,635 posts

143 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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The link says she gets it anyway
The cousins can do the executor bit, but they have to pass the money to her

Foliage

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122 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Shes the daughter right? so she inherits the governments website seems pretty clear.


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The estate is shared equally between the children or their descendants.

If a son or daughter has already died, their children (the grandchildren of the deceased) inherit in their place.
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Qcarchoo

Original Poster:

471 posts

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Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Regardless of the fact that she has been legally adopted out of his family?

GreatGranny

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226 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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But surely she is still his nearest living relative.

Qcarchoo

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Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Yes, but apparently not from a legal stance.
Imagine if you gave a child up for adoption and they were brought up by another family, with no further contact. Would they have a claim on your estate in the event of your death?
Although my friend had contact, her solicitor believes that because she was adopted out, and there was effectively no will, she has no claim.

PurpleMoonlight

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157 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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I believe the solicitor is correct.

In law an adopted child ceases to be deemed a child of the birth parent or parents and becomes a child of the adopting parent or parents.

Red Devil

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208 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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yes See Section 39 of the Adoption Act 1976 - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1976/36/sectio...

However the OP hasn't made it 100% clear who the deceased is. The girl's birth father or her adoptive one.
That distinction will be crucial as to whether she gets anything under the intestacy rules.

Qcarchoo

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Thursday 23rd March 2017
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The deceased is her birth father.
It may or may not be relevant but her adoptive father died several years earlier.

Edited by Qcarchoo on Thursday 23 March 20:05

Red Devil

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Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Qcarchoo said:
The deceased is her birth father.
Unfortunately the lack of a signed will means the intestacy rules apply and Section 39 precludes her from any claim on his estate.

Qcarchoo said:
It may or may not be relevant but her adoptive father died several years earlier.
Not as far as the question you asked is concerned. Any inheritance from her adoptive father would depend on the terms of any will that he made.
If he also died intestate, the governing rules still apply and she would rank on an equal footing with any other natural children of his.

See here - http://www.inheritancedisputes.co.uk/news-articles...

Qcarchoo

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Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Thank you for that. Particularly the last link.
It just goes to show how important it is to make a will.

Tiggsy

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252 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Indeed - you mention "wishes of the deceased" but they were clearly not too important to him!

Dr Mike Oxgreen

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165 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Your friend has to hope that the elderly cousins do the decent thing and take into account the unsigned will, even though it has no legal standing, and give her at least a portion of the inheritance. But I think they have little choice but to follow the intestacy rules initially, and then make a subsequent gift to your friend.

Qcarchoo

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Friday 24th March 2017
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Tiggsy said:
Indeed - you mention "wishes of the deceased" but they were clearly not too important to him!
To be fair, I think he was probably like many people, myself included.
It's one of those things you'll get round to eventually. I don't think he anticipated dying so suddenly.

TwigtheWonderkid

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150 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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If she's been adopted by another man, then the deceased isn't her legal father, she isn't his legal daughter, and she is in fact completely unrelated to him in law.

It matters not that her adopted father died years ago.

For her to inherit, she would have to be named as the beneficiary in a valid will. OP, you and I have as much claim on the money as she does.

Tiggsy

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252 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Qcarchoo said:
Tiggsy said:
Indeed - you mention "wishes of the deceased" but they were clearly not too important to him!
To be fair, I think he was probably like many people, myself included.
It's one of those things you'll get round to eventually. I don't think he anticipated dying so suddenly.
My point still stands - You can do a will in 10 mins for £10 on line. The second you are old enough or have enough to think "someone would be better off after I am dead if I did have a will" (be that financially or administratively) then not doing one that day means you really are not too fussed. Which is cool - no one needs to be fussed! But when you aren't it's a bit dramatic to talk about a deceased's wishes as though they were important to them.

Sheepshanks

32,747 posts

119 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Tiggsy said:
My point still stands - You can do a will in 10 mins for £10 on line. The second you are old enough or have enough to think "someone would be better off after I am dead if I did have a will" (be that financially or administratively) then not doing one that day means you really are not too fussed. Which is cool - no one needs to be fussed! But when you aren't it's a bit dramatic to talk about a deceased's wishes as though they were important to them.
He may well have assumed that everything would go to his biological daughter anyway, so didn't feel there was any sense of urgency.

My wife takes an interest in family matters type of stuff and she was shocked that being adopted breaks the connection to biological parents.