Extension of ANPR cameras for prosecution.

[PH XKR]

I'm quite surprised they weren't already enforcing it.

[PH XKR]

FiF said:

Cliftonite said:

7db said:

Cliftonite said:

knowing that I would have to wait until each and every one of those s had pushed into the queue ahead of me before I would be able to progress the odd car length made me seeth!

It's only one car length. Why get angry? Once you're all back upto 70 mph, how long is that in seconds? #zen

I was there for over half an hour. More cars (and lorries!!!) came past me than I estimated were already in front of me. Had no-one been pushing in, the queue would have been moving continuously. Half a mile, even at, say 15 mph, would have taken me only eight minutes. I am angry because the ignorant bds are getting away with flagrant abuse of the law, the law which should have given each of them a £100 fine and 3 points on their licence.

Law-abiding drivers of the vehicles in the ever-lengthening queue behind me would have been delayed well in excess of half an hour.

This is why I am angry.

O.K.?

Whilst in one sense, let 30 vehicles in front, and once you are out the other side, all at two seconds gap, then theoretically you are 30 * 2 seconds, or a minute behind where you were.
The point though was in my post, in my experience those bds jamming through the red X signs , at speeds which are actually illegal even on a clear and empty motorway in good visibility, were doing it in the dark, with lots of other traffic about and completely ignoring signs saying workers in carriageway. 100pounds and 3 points wasn't enough in those circumstances. Any careful and prudent driver can see in such circumstances that is driving so far below the required standard as to be dangerous.

I didn't get annoyed, as being annoyed and behind the wheel isn't a good mix. Doesn't stop me thinking the worst cases at least should have a spell on the bus.

two late night trips from Dover last year, the m25 had 3 closed lanes for quite a few miles, gantry enforced. In total it took approx. 2 hours to get through, however, this was mainly due to closed lanes being used mile upon mile by selfish drivers pushing in. Funnily enough on a return trip this week there were 3 lanes closed, again adding upwards of 30 minutes (this time they closed the lanes close to the cones seems they learnt their lesson) and again queue pushers. Its a frustration, I don't get angry. I sometimes do act petty though. I am actually a driver that lets people in to lane or out of junctions as I don't see it as adding time to my trip but saving potentially minutes for them. I believe in good manners, but if someone is trying to filter in after going down a closed lane they will find it hard to impossible to push in. I don't care that's petty as I see that act as less selfish than theirs.

[Far Cough]

Yipper said:

Nationwide ANPR control is already here (and has been for several years). Someone can drive from Heathrow to central Edinburgh and be 100% tracked from start to finish.....

It is equally just as easy to drive the similar route and not get pinged once as they are only on major routes.

Like always this only affects those people who are good enough to taxeurocracy , insure & register their cars , vans or HGV`s in the correct fashion. Those that dont, continue to drive round with impunity.

[FiF]

PH XKR said:

FiF said:

Cliftonite said:

7db said:

Cliftonite said:

knowing that I would have to wait until each and every one of those s had pushed into the queue ahead of me before I would be able to progress the odd car length made me seeth!

It's only one car length. Why get angry? Once you're all back upto 70 mph, how long is that in seconds? #zen

I was there for over half an hour. More cars (and lorries!!!) came past me than I estimated were already in front of me. Had no-one been pushing in, the queue would have been moving continuously. Half a mile, even at, say 15 mph, would have taken me only eight minutes. I am angry because the ignorant bds are getting away with flagrant abuse of the law, the law which should have given each of them a £100 fine and 3 points on their licence.

Law-abiding drivers of the vehicles in the ever-lengthening queue behind me would have been delayed well in excess of half an hour.

This is why I am angry.

O.K.?

Whilst in one sense, let 30 vehicles in front, and once you are out the other side, all at two seconds gap, then theoretically you are 30 * 2 seconds, or a minute behind where you were.
The point though was in my post, in my experience those bds jamming through the red X signs , at speeds which are actually illegal even on a clear and empty motorway in good visibility, were doing it in the dark, with lots of other traffic about and completely ignoring signs saying workers in carriageway. 100pounds and 3 points wasn't enough in those circumstances. Any careful and prudent driver can see in such circumstances that is driving so far below the required standard as to be dangerous.

I didn't get annoyed, as being annoyed and behind the wheel isn't a good mix. Doesn't stop me thinking the worst cases at least should have a spell on the bus.

two late night trips from Dover last year, the m25 had 3 closed lanes for quite a few miles, gantry enforced. In total it took approx. 2 hours to get through, however, this was mainly due to closed lanes being used mile upon mile by selfish drivers pushing in. Funnily enough on a return trip this week there were 3 lanes closed, again adding upwards of 30 minutes (this time they closed the lanes close to the cones seems they learnt their lesson) and again queue pushers. Its a frustration, I don't get angry. I sometimes do act petty though. I am actually a driver that lets people in to lane or out of junctions as I don't see it as adding time to my trip but saving potentially minutes for them. I believe in good manners, but if someone is trying to filter in after going down a closed lane they will find it hard to impossible to push in. I don't care that's petty as I see that act as less selfish than theirs.

Also bear in mind that before they get to the red X they will have passed several sets of wicket signs showing lanes closed ahead, arrows suggesting they should move to the lane to their left or right, so it shouldn't exactly be a surprise.

Having also experienced one of those M25 fiascos, what would it do to the national finances if they started nicking everyone for the offence? Folks accuse speed cameras of only being about the money, this one could be exactly that. Hands in PH membership.

[PH XKR]

I'm all for lane close enforcement, it could be the difference between life and death.

[7db]

Cliftonite said:

7db said:

Cliftonite said:

knowing that I would have to wait until each and every one of those s had pushed into the queue ahead of me before I would be able to progress the odd car length made me seeth!

It's only one car length. Why get angry? Once you're all back upto 70 mph, how long is that in seconds? #zen

I was there for over half an hour. More cars (and lorries!!!) came past me than I estimated were already in front of me. Had no-one been pushing in, the queue would have been moving continuously. Half a mile, even at, say 15 mph, would have taken me only eight minutes. I am angry because the ignorant bds are getting away with flagrant abuse of the law, the law which should have given each of them a £100 fine and 3 points on their licence.

Law-abiding drivers of the vehicles in the ever-lengthening queue behind me would have been delayed well in excess of half an hour.

This is why I am angry.

O.K.?

Did getting angry help at all?
It's a bit like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. They were perfectly happy.

[Engineer792]

PH XKR said:

I believe in good manners, but if someone is trying to filter in after going down a closed lane they will find it hard to impossible to push in. I don't care that's petty as I see that act as less selfish than theirs.

Devil's advocate here, but how can you be sure that they haven't already been trying to move over for the past half a mile, and being meeting similar resistance from everyone in the lane behind you?

[PH XKR]

Engineer792 said:

PH XKR said:

I believe in good manners, but if someone is trying to filter in after going down a closed lane they will find it hard to impossible to push in. I don't care that's petty as I see that act as less selfish than theirs.

Devil's advocate here, but how can you be sure that they haven't already been trying to move over for the past half a mile, and being meeting similar resistance from everyone in the lane behind you?

True, but typically you can bet that's not the case as someone like myself would definitely have let them in much sooner. People do that not so long after the lane closure.

The m25 was a snafu. It was over 10 miles of lanes closed before you hit any cones last year.

[xjay1337]

Cliftonite said:

FiF said:

Personally I don't necessarily have too much of an issue, except for the usual caveat that electronic enforcement can only see the instant of a situation, whereas often the important part is how did the individual get themselves into that situation.

But essentially I got sick of seeing Friday nights on the M40, when they were setting up roadworks and red X flashing over lanes 2, 3 etc, complete retards jamming through at 3 figure speeds in order to barge over at the last possible second having passed at least 3 sets of lane closure signs. Cocks deserving of a good nicking.

THIS. In spades.

Sitting in Lane One (the ONLY lane open), knowing that I would have to wait until each and every one of those s had pushed into the queue ahead of me before I would be able to progress the odd car length made me seeth!

I could almost empathise with WD39 and his APIS crew!

Almost!

I was on a Motorway recently where the overhead gantries indicated that L4 was closed/closing.

After 3 gantries and no obvious incident it magically didn't have the lane closed marker on it anymore.

[PH XKR]

xjay1337 said:

Cliftonite said:

FiF said:

Personally I don't necessarily have too much of an issue, except for the usual caveat that electronic enforcement can only see the instant of a situation, whereas often the important part is how did the individual get themselves into that situation.

But essentially I got sick of seeing Friday nights on the M40, when they were setting up roadworks and red X flashing over lanes 2, 3 etc, complete retards jamming through at 3 figure speeds in order to barge over at the last possible second having passed at least 3 sets of lane closure signs. Cocks deserving of a good nicking.

THIS. In spades.

Sitting in Lane One (the ONLY lane open), knowing that I would have to wait until each and every one of those s had pushed into the queue ahead of me before I would be able to progress the odd car length made me seeth!

I could almost empathise with WD39 and his APIS crew!

Almost!

I was on a Motorway recently where the overhead gantries indicated that L4 was closed/closing.

After 3 gantries and no obvious incident it magically didn't have the lane closed marker on it anymore.

so?

[xjay1337]

If in SOME cases the lane closure warnings are not accurate can you really moan at people for ignoring them?

Lifes too short to be annoyed by "just another dick" on the road lol

[cmaguire]

PH XKR said:

o?

I expect the point he is making is that frequently these signs appear to be poorly managed and operated, and therefore until you can physically 'see' the reason for them being active does actually exist then you don't believe it.
If these signs were better managed the compliance would increase exponentially.

[PH XKR]

cmaguire said:

PH XKR said:

o?

I expect the point he is making is that frequently these signs appear to be poorly managed and operated, and therefore until you can physically 'see' the reason for them being active does actually exist then you don't believe it.
If these signs were better managed the compliance would increase exponentially.

agreed to an extent, the old matrix to blame there but, maybe I'm special, if I see a big red cross saying lane close I assume danger to myself or others if I continue in it. I always err on that side if caution and fail to sympathize with anyone that claims a reason to ignore them

[cmaguire]

PH XKR said:

greed to an extent, the old matrix to blame there but, maybe I'm special, if I see a big red cross saying lane close I assume danger to myself or others if I continue in it. I always err on that side if caution and fail to sympathize with anyone that claims a reason to ignore them

The red X is somewhat more black and white as regards compliance and usually is genuine. The myriad of other garbage on those matrices (debris/animals/pedestrians in road, fog, accident etc ) are so often rubbish, perhaps still active way after the event has passed, or active so far in advance a supertanker could stop from and reach maximum speed again before getting there that they render the signs pointless as a whole.

[jith]

FiF said:

Dibble said:

Nothing at all to add to the thread, but to you, FiF, and please pass on my regards to DvD. Glad to hear he is still about.

He's not been well, but up and about again it seems.

Really sorry to hear that FiF, give him my best if you see him.

J

[Hackney]

CoolHands said:

As has been pointed out for a long time 'the system' wants to move us to a state where we can be policed by technology. Which a) means eventually we will be under scrutiny all the time (which I think is wrong) and b) means scrotes that are outside the system carry on with criminality as normal.

This. In spades.

[Chris Stott]

Centurion07 said:

I am prepared to admit that until about 3 years ago I was unaware the red X sign on a motorway meant it was illegal to be in that lane.

I had always thought it meant that the lane was closing, rather than actually closed, and you were able to proceed up to the obstruction.

So although I would've been in the closed lane I certainly wasn't tearing along in order to push in.

I had always assumed that to be the case since those red crosses appear 78 miles before the obstruction and therefore nobody would be stupid enough to activate them that far in advance if it meant the lane was actually closed from that first X. I do, after all, have a perfectly functioning set of eyes.

[Engineer792]

cmaguire said:

The red X is somewhat more black and white...

Black and white and red all over - reminds me of my early schooldays

[silverfoxcc]

I thought that as a variable speed camera on a gantry catches the ones going above the limit, why isnt it converted to catch the red X jumpers?

OR

50yds after the gantry site 'pop up' bus type bollards which appear 30 secs after the X shows up?

Not sure if i am serious!

[Cliftonite]

silverfoxcc said:

I thought that as a variable speed camera on a gantry catches the ones going above the limit, why isnt it converted to catch the red X jumpers?

OR

50yds after the gantry site 'pop up' bus type bollards which appear 30 secs after the X shows up?

Not sure if i am serious!

Seems the legislation for your first suggestion is being put in place : The Road Traffic Offenders (Additional Offences) Order 2017.

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?...

Your second suggestion is not yet on the cards? Perhaps automatic employment of a 'stinger' device under the gantry is the answer here?