Van next to me triggered camera, I got a ticket
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Northernchimp said:
I'll try writing in, thanks. It was OH car, but I'm not pretending not to know who was driving.
To save aggro I'll end up taking the fine and doing SAC. Thinking about it, I really can't be arsed going to court.
Sure you weren't speeding? I'd fight it if you weren't. Why take the punishment for someone else's error?To save aggro I'll end up taking the fine and doing SAC. Thinking about it, I really can't be arsed going to court.
Northernchimp said:
I'll try writing in, thanks. It was OH car, but I'm not pretending not to know who was driving.
To save aggro I'll end up taking the fine and doing SAC. Thinking about it, I really can't be arsed going to court.
Why would you do that if you genuinely were innocent?To save aggro I'll end up taking the fine and doing SAC. Thinking about it, I really can't be arsed going to court.
O/P, try writing in with a letter along the lines of:
Dear Sirs,
I enclose a completed section 172 form as requested.
I kindly ask that you review this case as I do not believe I was exceeding the speed limit on the A1 on [insert time/date]. I recall that there was another vehicle, travelling faster than mine, in lane one at the time of the alleged offence and I believe that it was this vehicle that has activated the speedcamera.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Yours etc
(Modified from original post by Agtlaw here )
Dear Sirs,
I enclose a completed section 172 form as requested.
I kindly ask that you review this case as I do not believe I was exceeding the speed limit on the A1 on [insert time/date]. I recall that there was another vehicle, travelling faster than mine, in lane one at the time of the alleged offence and I believe that it was this vehicle that has activated the speedcamera.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Yours etc
(Modified from original post by Agtlaw here )
Northernchimp said:
Hopefully they'll send something once the NIP has been sent back then. It's Lincolnshire, guessing they all have different procedures.
Which camera was it out of interest? The only fixed non-average cam I can think of is the one after the A52 northbound a mile before the services.Super Slo Mo said:
sherbertdip said:
Please educate me as to what road sensors are present for detecting speeding on a dual or triple carriageway?
What, pray tell, is a triple carriageway? Never heard of one of those before...Edited by sherbertdip on Thursday 30th March 20:17
If you think I should have put "Motorway" then you are wrong.
sherbertdip said:
Super Slo Mo said:
sherbertdip said:
Please educate me as to what road sensors are present for detecting speeding on a dual or triple carriageway?
What, pray tell, is a triple carriageway? Never heard of one of those before...Edited by sherbertdip on Thursday 30th March 20:17
If you think I should have put "Motorway" then you are wrong.
sherbertdip said:
Triple means 3, following the series quadruple means 4, quintuple means 5, sextuple means 6, septuple means 7, octuple means 8, you understand?
If you think I should have put "Motorway" then you are wrong.
Infallible logic. Are there sections of the M25 that are quintuple carriageway then?If you think I should have put "Motorway" then you are wrong.
sherbertdip said:
Super Slo Mo said:
sherbertdip said:
Please educate me as to what road sensors are present for detecting speeding on a dual or triple carriageway?
What, pray tell, is a triple carriageway? Never heard of one of those before...Edited by sherbertdip on Thursday 30th March 20:17
If you think I should have put "Motorway" then you are wrong.
Dual carriageway - Traffic separated by a central dividing barrier.
Motorway - Subset of dual carriageway but usually with hard shoulder (emergency lane) and vehicle limitations.
Nothing to do with lanes...
OP, you will lose a day of your life to a speed awareness course or to going to court. It's not that difficult a choice surely?
I suspect that the OP was working on the principle that they could drive at 75 on the road and the camera would set to 80+ and not go off for him. Sadly for the OP, the van was above the trigger point and the camera people now get a bonus prize of two vehicles on the same pictures and the secondary indicator will put the OP in line for the course he appears to want.
Edit for carp speeling and being beaten to the triple carriageway explanation.
Edit for carp speeling and being beaten to the triple carriageway explanation.
Starfighter said:
I suspect that the OP was working on the principle that they could drive at 75 on the road and the camera would set to 80+ and not go off for him. Sadly for the OP, the van was above the trigger point and the camera people now get a bonus prize of two vehicles on the same pictures and the secondary indicator will put the OP in line for the course he appears to want.
Edit for carp speeling and being beaten to the triple carriageway explanation.
Think you've probably nailed it there.Edit for carp speeling and being beaten to the triple carriageway explanation.
Don't understand why the OP wouldn't fight this if he is absolutely sure that he wasn't speeding. If, however, it is as you suggest, that he was going less than the trigger speed for the camera, but over the speed limit, then his ability to defend himself evaporates.
That is the crux. The ACTUAL speed OP was doing. He slowed downto what speed?
If confident it was 70 or under then a challenge is safe. If doing 70+ in the theory of being below the trigger point then the distance markers might show this so there remains a risk of prosecution. A bit nit picking perhaps but a possibility. How good can he make his in court argument ?
OP.......your choice in the end based on the speed you KNOW you were doing. Do you know the accuracy of your speedo? Do you use gps as a comparison? It is always worth learning your speed accuracy by comparison of the two. e.g. 73 on speedo is 69 on gps for example.
Above all be honest with yourself about your actual speed then decide.
If confident it was 70 or under then a challenge is safe. If doing 70+ in the theory of being below the trigger point then the distance markers might show this so there remains a risk of prosecution. A bit nit picking perhaps but a possibility. How good can he make his in court argument ?
OP.......your choice in the end based on the speed you KNOW you were doing. Do you know the accuracy of your speedo? Do you use gps as a comparison? It is always worth learning your speed accuracy by comparison of the two. e.g. 73 on speedo is 69 on gps for example.
Above all be honest with yourself about your actual speed then decide.
Northernchimp said:
The van I'd just passed, which for some reason sped up, sailed up the inside of me at about 80mph, we were on the markings at the same time.
Undercover Speed Camera Van just cruising around waiting for an opportunity to nail someone in this exact scenario 
I expect they catch one or two people a decade, but its worth it.Loyly said:
Northernchimp said:
I'll try writing in, thanks. It was OH car, but I'm not pretending not to know who was driving.
To save aggro I'll end up taking the fine and doing SAC. Thinking about it, I really can't be arsed going to court.
Sure you weren't speeding? I'd fight it if you weren't. Why take the punishment for someone else's error?To save aggro I'll end up taking the fine and doing SAC. Thinking about it, I really can't be arsed going to court.
I'd do the same as OP (unless I was on 9 points already).
Just because you're innocent, doesn't automatically mean the court will find you innocent (I discovered this the hard way).
I'd weigh up the pro's/con's of pleading guilty/not-guilty and probably work out that taking the £X fine and 3 points is my preferred choice. Doesn't make me guilty of the crime.
But it's one thing wanting to challenge, but another thing to go to court to do it. Lots of hassle and then the higher penalty if you don't succeed.
I got flashed on the M1, thought that can't be right, I'll challenge if it comes through. Well it did. Am I certain it's not right. Well probably. Now I'm faced with it do I go to court or go to the lovely tea and biscuits event for an evening? More tea vicar?
Bert
I got flashed on the M1, thought that can't be right, I'll challenge if it comes through. Well it did. Am I certain it's not right. Well probably. Now I'm faced with it do I go to court or go to the lovely tea and biscuits event for an evening? More tea vicar?
Bert
I reckon the magistrates would use every option to get a conviction. Aren't they a part of the 'partnership' so hardly unbiased if so? I'd insist some more about being provided with a photograph to assist with driver identification. If you hint that the car was used twice that day and maybe by another person it wont't look good if they thwart your reasonable and diligent attempts to identify the driver which is you obligation. Mention that you've checked your diary, the times on shopping receipts and spoken with family and friends etc.
After all of that the only people preventing you from identifying the driver would be them. Send your letter tracked and signed for as well. You need to build up a case file as big as theirs and make them look like the shysters they are.
You can also ask if there are inductive loops in the road (take a look) and ask how they have identified your vehicle to be the one speeding.
After all of that the only people preventing you from identifying the driver would be them. Send your letter tracked and signed for as well. You need to build up a case file as big as theirs and make them look like the shysters they are.
You can also ask if there are inductive loops in the road (take a look) and ask how they have identified your vehicle to be the one speeding.
sherbertdip said:
Super Slo Mo said:
sherbertdip said:
Please educate me as to what road sensors are present for detecting speeding on a dual or triple carriageway?
What, pray tell, is a triple carriageway? Never heard of one of those before...Edited by sherbertdip on Thursday 30th March 20:17
If you think I should have put "Motorway" then you are wrong.
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