201mph indicated speed in Sussex

[Terminator X]

Durzel said:

OverSteery said:

xjay1337 said:

Bobtherallyfan said:

Can the Police use the cars telematics to provide further evidence....one assumes that 200 mph might show up somewhere?

No and no.

Why is that then? I can see it might not be enough on it's own, but mobile phone records can be used as evidence, and car's telematics were used to get the crossbow murderer? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51466273

bbc said:

"If it wasn't for the electronics, the black box in the Land Rover - which didn't just record information but sent it to Jaguar Land Rover, Whall would have got away with his lies," the jury was told.

Edited by OverSteery on Friday 12th June 17:39

Depends on the car. Some cars may have built in telematics or options that provide it, but it is definitely not something that is standard on modern cars by any stretch.

Telematics are also used for some “black box” insurance policies.

Irregardless the telematics in that crossbow case was used to locate the car at a given time, not for real time tracking.

I'm not certain but at a guess all modern cars will have the ability to monitor / track speed etc so if the Rozzers really wanted to know they can just ask for the data.

From 2018:

All new cars must contain emergency ‘black boxes’ by 2018, says EU
The European Parliament has passed a law requiring each new car built after 2018 to be fitted with a tracking device that will be activated in the event of a serious crash.

http://home.bt.com/lifestyle/motoring/motoring-new...

TX.

[Starfighter]

I thought those boxes were designed to be active only in an accident to report location like a distress beacon rather than record and retain location all the time.

[seveb]

Kent Border Kenny said:

Er, what?

Do you think that Audi make a car that can do those speeds and stick a set of drum brakes on it?

My Audi’s listed as having a top speed a little less than this guy did, it’s only good for 198mph, but it’s definitely equipped for those speeds.

Try braking hard from 200mph in any high performance car (especially one weighing over 2 tonnes) and you'll soon find out that brakes that work really well at 100mph, feel substantially less powerful at double that. Then look at how far you have travelled in the time you were braking.

[LunarOne]

seveb said:

Kent Border Kenny said:

Er, what?

Do you think that Audi make a car that can do those speeds and stick a set of drum brakes on it?

My Audi’s listed as having a top speed a little less than this guy did, it’s only good for 198mph, but it’s definitely equipped for those speeds.

Try braking hard from 200mph in any high performance car (especially one weighing over 2 tonnes) and you'll soon find out that brakes that work really well at 100mph, feel substantially less powerful at double that. Then look at how far you have travelled in the time you were braking.

And your point is? The same is just as true when you compare any pair of speeds where one is a multiple of two of the other: 20/40mph, 30/60, 50/100, 70/140 as it is with 100/200mph. We all know that it takes longer to stop at higher speeds. F1 and Le Mans racers also take much longer to stop from 200mph than they do from 100mph. Just because brakes are apparently less effective at higher speeds doesn't necessarily make them unsuitable for the job.

[seveb]

LunarOne said:

seveb said:

Kent Border Kenny said:

Er, what?

Do you think that Audi make a car that can do those speeds and stick a set of drum brakes on it?

My Audi’s listed as having a top speed a little less than this guy did, it’s only good for 198mph, but it’s definitely equipped for those speeds.

Try braking hard from 200mph in any high performance car (especially one weighing over 2 tonnes) and you'll soon find out that brakes that work really well at 100mph, feel substantially less powerful at double that. Then look at how far you have travelled in the time you were braking.

And your point is? The same is just as true when you compare any pair of speeds where one is a multiple of two of the other: 20/40mph, 30/60, 50/100, 70/140 as it is with 100/200mph. We all know that it takes longer to stop at higher speeds. F1 and Le Mans racers also take much longer to stop from 200mph than they do from 100mph. Just because brakes are apparently less effective at higher speeds doesn't necessarily make them unsuitable for the job.

OK, LeMans cars are designed from the off to constantly brake from 200mph - their brakes are designed to cope with that on a regular basis for 24 hours non-stop. They don't have to feel nice when your wife drives it, they don't have to last more than 3500 miles and they don't have to be quiet or emit little dust. The design parameters are completely different to an RS6.

An Audi RS6 is designed to stop smoothly with very light pressure, in the icy cold, when your wife is driving it down the high street, from 90mph fully loaded on holiday, smoothly and without the dog headbutting the bars etc. Stopping from 200mph is something the brakes will do but not very well because it's way down the priority list. How many RS6s do 200mph ? Very few, very few even get to 150mph. How many LeMans cars capable of 200mph get to 200mph ? All of them, all the time for 24 hours.

See the difference ?

[LunarOne]

seveb said:

OK, LeMans cars are designed from the off to constantly brake from 200mph - their brakes are designed to cope with that on a regular basis for 24 hours non-stop. They don't have to feel nice when your wife drives it, they don't have to last more than 3500 miles and they don't have to be quiet or emit little dust. The design parameters are completely different to an RS6.

An Audi RS6 is designed to stop smoothly with very light pressure, in the icy cold, when your wife is driving it down the high street, from 90mph fully loaded on holiday, smoothly and without the dog headbutting the bars etc. Stopping from 200mph is something the brakes will do but not very well because it's way down the priority list. How many RS6s do 200mph ? Very few, very few even get to 150mph. How many LeMans cars capable of 200mph get to 200mph ? All of them, all the time for 24 hours.

See the difference ?

I think you're wrong. Audi know that the car will be driven at well north of 150mph on a frequent basis in their home market. If you're a German RS6 owner, the chances are that you'll do high speeds as often as you use the Autobahn. Do you think they install inferior brakes on UK cars just because we have a speed limit?

I lived in Germany for 18 months, and while I was there I didn't meet many performance car owners who didn't wring their cars' necks at least sometimes. When I was there I had my BMW 330Ci. I cruised at 120mph and regularly drove it above 130mph. On a couple of occasions I managed to get it flat out, which was a GPS-indicated 255km/h, which is 158mph. While I wouldn't have wanted to do an emergency stop at that speed, I was confident in the ability of my entirely standard brakes at that speed to bring me to a stop safely. I am sure the average RS6's brakes are light years ahead of my now 20-year old BMW's and can easily handle repeated stops from 200mph. I'd be very surprised if the front brakes weren't ceramic ventilated and drilled brakes with six piston calipers.

[donkmeister]

seveb said:

Stopping from 200mph is something the brakes will do but not very well because it's way down the priority list. How many RS6s do 200mph ? Very few, very few even get to 150mph. How many LeMans cars capable of 200mph get to 200mph ? All of them, all the time for 24 hours.

See the difference ?

The difference between motorsport brake requirements and roadcar brake requirements is mostly repeatability. An "oh st" moment at 200mph only calls for one application of the brakes. A lap of a racetrack requires many, with the appropriate cooling, hear resistance and heat cycle resistance that entails.
Brakes (and tyres) aside, I wouldn't agree that it is remotely safe to do 201mph when other road users expect you to be doing no more than 100mph though... In fact about the worst person he could have encountered was someone going moderately quickly, ignoring their mirrors because they think no-one would ever be going faster than them. I've witnessed that, where a car going about 100mph pulled out in front of a car going about 130mph and there was a very close call.

[Kent Border Kenny]

seveb said:

Try braking hard from 200mph in any high performance car (especially one weighing over 2 tonnes) and you'll soon find out that brakes that work really well at 100mph, feel substantially less powerful at double that. Then look at how far you have travelled in the time you were braking.

Well yes, as kinetic energy varies as the square of the speed, so for a given energy dissipation retardation will be less at higher speeds.

In what way though does that back up the claim that the brakes aren’t up to the job? Mine’s got massive carbon ceramic rotors all round, designed to pull the car up hard from it’s top speed.

[threadlock]

helix402 said:

I suspect a spell at Her Majesty’s pleasure may await the driver:

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18467261.shocking-...

Going to find out soon: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-58088...

[poo at Paul's]

200mph in a "stolen" car and he wears binnys that look like coke bottle bottoms.
Great idea, Poindexter!

[APontus]

threadlock said:

Going to find out soon: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-58088...

Don't bet on it. He's been commited to crown court. He'll appear and best chance is they set a date for trial. Currently seeing on Twitter that trials in some courts are being scheduled for late 2022.

[carreauchompeur]

Hmmm, TWOC too… wonder if it’s a customer car or something?!

[JDiz]

carreauchompeur said:

Hmmm, TWOC too… wonder if it’s a customer car or something?!

article mentions starting at gatwick, left with a parking company?

[carreauchompeur]

JDiz said:

article mentions starting at gatwick, left with a parking company?

Ah, didn’t see that. Proper TWOC then. What a pillock!

[Gareth79]

carreauchompeur said:

Hmmm, TWOC too… wonder if it’s a customer car or something?!

That's what I thought - given the location it could have been an airport parking customer car?

edit: I was slow typing my reply, but came to the same conclusion!

I imagine the police could have found it on the ANPR stack by checking trip times and/or types of Audi capable of that speed and then narrowed it down? Then contact the RK and then you have the parking company....

Edited by Gareth79 on Thursday 5th August 14:06

[JDiz]

carreauchompeur said:

Ah, didn’t see that. Proper TWOC then. What a pillock!

googling his name brings up someone with the same name as a car salesman and director of a dissolved company gatwick specialist cars.

So guessing it was a customers car from wherever he works(worked)



Mr Hollett was also charged with another incident of dangerous driving on the A24 near Horsham on June 2, 2019.

Ms Wotton told the court the second incident involved Mr Hollett driving a BMW and racing with a Lamborghini at speeds in excess of 150mph.

[Mr Miata]

Dave Hedgehog said:

all new cars from 2022 are going to be limited by gps to the posted limit

Surely this is going to be dangerous for overtakes.... you’re overtake a HGV on a single carriageway road, only to hit the speed limiter and stop accelerating. All of a sudden you’re on the wrong side of the road and can’t get past the truck quick enough.

Also manufacturers won’t like it, as it’ll make hot hatches and performance cars obsolete. What’s the point of buying a Porsche if the GPS won’t let you go over the limit? Might as well buy a Dacia Sandero instead.

[SydneyBridge]

The limiter can easily be over ridden/turned off apparently

[Durzel]

LinkedIn shows he works (worked?) in the warehouse at Euro Car Parts.

Also, another article mentions that the CPS charged him with dangerous driving for an separate incident that took place in June 2019. Presumably they confiscated his phone and found more evidence of his idiocy.

[NMNeil]

SydneyBridge said:

The limiter can easily be over ridden/turned off apparently

Yes it can, but each time it is a log is kept.
"Note that the new data recorders fitted to vehicles would log the over-riding of the ISA system. It is possible that in the event of a crash this information could be available to police and possibly civil lawyers."
Interesting explanation of the system.
https://www.20splenty.org/what_is_isa