Illegal Numberplate
Discussion
Just as an update, conditional offer of fixed penalty letter arrived in the post today, but for the offence of no registration plate which is a bit confusing considering I did have a plate and the offence on my original ticket was just non conforming VRM. Original offence code was VE94094, this letter now has the offence code VE94091.
I think we need to see it, to have a view.A1VDY said:
NGee said:
No police has ever, ever stopped anyone for having the wrong postcode on their number plate, NEVER.
You could not possibly know that.. SidneySid said:
PFC website does tell you what UK legal requirements are if you look really closely for it.
I’ve just received plates from them with this on it….
It has “ PFC D22 WK58 BSAU 145e “ printed on the lower right.
Whoops, that's illegal. The supplier's name must be in the centre. Also it looks far smaller than 3mm. The standard for position and dimensions were the same for revision d too.I’ve just received plates from them with this on it….
It has “ PFC D22 WK58 BSAU 145e “ printed on the lower right.
Edited by Gareth79 on Tuesday 7th December 15:44
Gareth79 said:
Whoops, that's illegal. The supplier's name must be in the centre. Also it looks far smaller than 3mm. The standard for position and dimensions were the same for revision d too.
If you're going to be like that, you need to show where it explicitly states such.Edited by Gareth79 on Tuesday 7th December 15:44
That diagram does not state a requirement for a position of the plate supplier's identification. While it is depicted as being central, there's no measurements given for that.
Per that diagram, as long as it is within the sizes stated, it can be anywhere from left to right. They have only defined the position of the British Standard number by giving it that 15mm edge distance requirement.
If another part of the specification states it must (not should) be located centrally, please post that.
carl_w said:
Interesting, the dimension of 520±1 at the top implies that shorter plates for shorter registrations and shaped plates are no longer allowed?
Oh wait indeed that's the spec for the sample unit, as it says. Hold on and let me check 
edit: So interestingly the requirement for the supplier's name only seems to have come into force 1st Sept, I thought it was a requirement before then, but I can't find a reference to it, possibly it was a DVLA RNPS requirement? Also interesting is the requirement for component suppliers to be identified separately, which I'd think that most would now need 2x sets of names and postcodes.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1363/regu...
"5. Each plate must display below the registration mark additional markings showing—
(a) the number of the British standard or other relevant standard or specification as referred to in paragraph 1;
(b) the name of the supplier or manufacturer of the parts used to assemble the registration plate; and
(c) the name and postcode of the supplying outlet of the assembled registration plate displaying the registration mark.
6. The markings required under paragraph 5 must be—
(a) permanently marked;
(b) non-retroreflecting;
(c) of a single shade of non-retroreflecting colour; and
(d) no more than 10 millimetres in height and no less than 3 millimetres in height.
7. The space between the bottom of the registration mark and any other markings must not be less than 7 millimetres."
... so the PFC plate is legal in terms of the position of the markings, but possibly they might be too small. If the stroke width is 14mm then the postcode/name is about 1/10th of that.
(I have a substantially nerdy interest in plates so I should have known this
The DVLA use my number plate font pretty much everywhere, and it was used in F&F 9, as just a few examples...)Edited by Gareth79 on Tuesday 7th December 16:39
Another Plates for Cars "customer" here that would advise not touching them with a barge pole. Sent for plates back in July after spending a considerable amount of time checking out the legalities of margins, stroke widths, spacing between rows (its a 2 row plate for an import car)
After much checking on their online plate designer, which clearly showed that the text was the same size on both plates, despite them being physically slightly different sizes, the buy button was clicked.
What then came in the post was a delivery note, again showing the same font size on the 2 different sized plates. But this was not matched with the actual plates. The smaller of the 2 also now had a smaller sized font, but yet, the margin between the lettering and the edge of the plate was about twice the legal minimum. I even drew the plates up on AutoCAD to show that legal letter height / stroke width could have been maintained, along with legal margins.
All reported to Plates for Cars but not interested in remedying it. After several ping pong emails, I invoked the "Money back Guarantee" which was worthless as they would not provide an RMA and said they would not provide a refund without an RMA.
So, avoid like the plague. I ended up going to the local Motor Factors and got them to make up plates at a fraction (<25%) of the cost, all legal and BS marked.
Meanwhile, I now have 2 fairly useless coasters for the kitchen table.
As an aside, between this order, and getting the plates from the local motor factor, ones were ordered from JDM plates in August. Still waiting for them. Whenever I chase up, they keep saying they have never received the docs, even though they have been sent by both email and paper mail. They seem to be rather disorganised in that only 1 person has access to the computer with the email on it, and they never seem to be there...... Again, their cost was several times more than the local motor factors, so there is a lesson in there.....
After much checking on their online plate designer, which clearly showed that the text was the same size on both plates, despite them being physically slightly different sizes, the buy button was clicked.
What then came in the post was a delivery note, again showing the same font size on the 2 different sized plates. But this was not matched with the actual plates. The smaller of the 2 also now had a smaller sized font, but yet, the margin between the lettering and the edge of the plate was about twice the legal minimum. I even drew the plates up on AutoCAD to show that legal letter height / stroke width could have been maintained, along with legal margins.
All reported to Plates for Cars but not interested in remedying it. After several ping pong emails, I invoked the "Money back Guarantee" which was worthless as they would not provide an RMA and said they would not provide a refund without an RMA.
So, avoid like the plague. I ended up going to the local Motor Factors and got them to make up plates at a fraction (<25%) of the cost, all legal and BS marked.
Meanwhile, I now have 2 fairly useless coasters for the kitchen table.
As an aside, between this order, and getting the plates from the local motor factor, ones were ordered from JDM plates in August. Still waiting for them. Whenever I chase up, they keep saying they have never received the docs, even though they have been sent by both email and paper mail. They seem to be rather disorganised in that only 1 person has access to the computer with the email on it, and they never seem to be there...... Again, their cost was several times more than the local motor factors, so there is a lesson in there.....
Had to give up on JDM plates as well. Just resent them the docs by email (3rd time they have been sent - 2 x by email, 1 x by paper mail) and they still insist they do not have the docs, even in their SPAM folder. So have cancelled the order and asked for a refund. £61.98 for 2 plates from JDM ordered in July but never delivered vs £16 for 2 plates from the local motor factors, made in 5 minutes while you wait. Bit of a no brainer really!
ky.NGee said:
No police has ever, ever stopped anyone for having the wrong postcode on their number plate, NEVER.
So there's either a lot more to the story than you're letting on, what did they really stop you for, or you've made the whole thing up.
Which is it?
I wouldn't be surprised if they did.So there's either a lot more to the story than you're letting on, what did they really stop you for, or you've made the whole thing up.
Which is it?
I had a friend who was pulled for a different issues on their car, but when the officer was checking the car and noticed the plate didn't have the name & address of the manufacturer on the registration plate they decided to fine him for that.
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