Illegal Numberplate

[Windy Miller]

Mr Pointy said:

If you paid by credit card just get them to do a chargeback.

Would have been by debit card.

[Mr Pointy]

Windy Miller said:

Mr Pointy said:

If you paid by credit card just get them to do a chargeback.

Would have been by debit card.

You may still be able to do a chargeback but you can't do a Section 75 claim - see here:
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/visa-mas...

Just an example of the process:
https://www.tsb.co.uk/debit-card-chargeback/

[Windy Miller]

Windy Miller said:

Had to give up on JDM plates as well. Just resent them the docs by email (3rd time they have been sent - 2 x by email, 1 x by paper mail) and they still insist they do not have the docs, even in their SPAM folder. So have cancelled the order and asked for a refund. £61.98 for 2 plates from JDM ordered in July but never delivered vs £16 for 2 plates from the local motor factors, made in 5 minutes while you wait. Bit of a no brainer really!

Still chasing JDM plates for this refund, for the money they got back in July last year, but never delivered on. Several times, I have called them and they said they would refund, but have never done so. Lat chance saloon today, otherwise its Trading Standards. I could not recommend this outfit one little bit.

[Sebring440]

Windy Miller said:

Lat chance saloon today, otherwise its Trading Standards.

What's Trading Standards going to do for you?

[Nibbles_bits]

CoolHands said:

Very sad that a copper has done you for something so trivial; clutching at straws

One of the unfortunate things about policing is the need to learn on the job.

Not everything can be taught/learned in a class room.

Before a new Officer is allowed to patrol on their own, they MUST gather evidence of competency. One of those competencies is issuing a TOR.

Once the new Officer has shown they are competent, they then spend the next 2 or 3 years, depending on which scheme they joined on, gathering further evidence of competency......and must issue 2 TORs.

Now, rightly or wrongly, some (only some) of these TORs never make it to the ticketing unit.

You might be unfortunate enough to be one of the 3 motorists that the new Officer MUST issue a TOR to.

Is there any other way of learning on the job?

[geeks]

Who orders plates off the internet when Halfords will do you a pair in 10 minutes???

[Nibbles_bits]

AlexL94 said:

Just as an update, conditional offer of fixed penalty letter arrived in the post today, but for the offence of no registration plate which is a bit confusing considering I did have a plate and the offence on my original ticket was just non conforming VRM. Original offence code was VE94094, this letter now has the offence code VE94091.

Don't quote me on this, but you might have a case for the TOR not being enforceable.

If you're so inclined, seek proper legal advice.

[Gareth79]

geeks said:

Who orders plates off the internet when Halfords will do you a pair in 10 minutes???

People who don't live near Halfords. People who don't have the time to travel to Halfords. People who don't trust Halfords to make a set of plates properly. People who don't want Halfords' on their number plate. People who don't want to spend £36 on a pair of number plates.

Interestingly I've just noticed that Halfords' website "Number Plates Builder" uses my number plate font (without permission...), hopefully they don't use it for making the actual plates because they would unlikely to be road-legal...

[Windy Miller]

Sebring440 said:

What's Trading Standards going to do for you?

Some helpful tips here for you on what Trading Standards can do.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/get-mor...

Whilst they cannot arrange the refund, they can certainly put pressure on a business to start behaving properly and legally. In this case, the bullet point;

• "They scammed you - for example, you paid for something online that you didn’t receive and you couldn’t contact the seller"

[Windy Miller]

geeks said:

Who orders plates off the internet when Halfords will do you a pair in 10 minutes???

Well, the nearest Halfords to here is about 130 miles and a ferry journey away for starters..... But we do have a local motor factors, and yes, they made plates in probably less than 10 minutes, and for a fraction of the price that JDM plates rip you off for. Just not as many (legal) size options, and for those that wish it, illegal size options as well....

[Yertis]

Gareth79 said:

People who don't live near Halfords. People who don't have the time to travel to Halfords. People who don't trust Halfords to make a set of plates properly. People who don't want Halfords' on their number plate. People who don't want to spend £36 on a pair of number plates.

Interestingly I've just noticed that Halfords' website "Number Plates Builder" uses my number plate font (without permission...), hopefully they don't use it for making the actual plates because they would unlikely to be road-legal...

Which numberplate font did you design?

[flatlandsman]

I do not and never will understand the British obsession with number plates it makes ZERO difference to your car, it is a total and utter phallic extension, THAT IS ALL, keep your money and spend it something worthwhile. I see endless young lads with these stupid embossed number plates, nobody but you care, it looks so try hard and silly!

[Gareth79]

Yertis said:

Gareth79 said:

People who don't live near Halfords. People who don't have the time to travel to Halfords. People who don't trust Halfords to make a set of plates properly. People who don't want Halfords' on their number plate. People who don't want to spend £36 on a pair of number plates.

Interestingly I've just noticed that Halfords' website "Number Plates Builder" uses my number plate font (without permission...), hopefully they don't use it for making the actual plates because they would unlikely to be road-legal...

Which numberplate font did you design?

I just call it UKNumberPlate. I drew it 20+ years ago to brutally reflect the mandatory typeface in the legislation, but it's not hugely accurate re. spacing. The DVLA even use it for the vehicle enquiry service website, practically every parking machine in the country with a screen seems to use it too.

[Yertis]

Cool - did you use fontographer or what?

[Windy Miller]

flatlandsman said:

I do not and never will understand the British obsession with number plates it makes ZERO difference to your car, it is a total and utter phallic extension, THAT IS ALL, keep your money and spend it something worthwhile. I see endless young lads with these stupid embossed number plates, nobody but you care, it looks so try hard and silly!

You know what? You're right! After reading your post I went out and ripped the number plates off the car and flung them in the bin. Then I took a drive out, and you are absolutely right. The number plates were making zero difference. Everything was the same before and after. So I am taking your advice and going plateless from now on. I was even able to drive by a few speed cameras and ANPR cameras with total impunity, smug in the knowledge that they can no longer trace me!

Cheers for the brill advice!

[Mikebentley]

flatlandsman said:

I do not and never will understand the British obsession with number plates it makes ZERO difference to your car, it is a total and utter phallic extension, THAT IS ALL, keep your money and spend it something worthwhile. I see endless young lads with these stupid embossed number plates, nobody but you care, it looks so try hard and silly!

Why are you here? Every post is tosh.

[Vasco]

Mikebentley said:

flatlandsman said:

I do not and never will understand the British obsession with number plates it makes ZERO difference to your car, it is a total and utter phallic extension, THAT IS ALL, keep your money and spend it something worthwhile. I see endless young lads with these stupid embossed number plates, nobody but you care, it looks so try hard and silly!

Why are you here? Every post is tosh.

Albeit he is at least correct !

[Pit Pony]

Vasco said:

Mikebentley said:

flatlandsman said:

I do not and never will understand the British obsession with number plates it makes ZERO difference to your car, it is a total and utter phallic extension, THAT IS ALL, keep your money and spend it something worthwhile. I see endless young lads with these stupid embossed number plates, nobody but you care, it looks so try hard and silly!

Why are you here? Every post is tosh.

Albeit he is at least correct !

To be fair, an MD at somewhere I used to work, told me, he was having serious reservations about a particular final year apprentice, based just on his smoked gel plate illegally spaced numberplate. His work ethic was excellent.
I had to remind him that we were all young once and I bet 35 years ago he did things that he now cringes about. He couldn't recall anything.

[InitialDave]

flatlandsman said:

I do not and never will understand the British obsession with number plates it makes ZERO difference to your car, it is a total and utter phallic extension, THAT IS ALL, keep your money and spend it something worthwhile. I see endless young lads with these stupid embossed number plates, nobody but you care, it looks so try hard and silly!

The flipside of this is, it doesn't affect you, so why let it wind you up?

I'm wary of 4D plates and the tinting of numberplate also, but largely because cars fitted with them seem to be driven really badly.

Guess I should be grateful of the early warning of the impending bellendery, though.

People spend money on all sorts of things that are a "waste" of it and only appeal to them, not others.

It only bothers me when I see someone do something to ruin a rare/otherwise clean/hard to find/hard to fix car or component. Bonnets drilled for bonnet pins are a particular bugbear, things like that. But even then, it's metal, it can probably be fixed.

Number plates can be changed should someone with different (better?) taste buy the car in future.

[Mikebentley]

Pit Pony said:

Vasco said:

Mikebentley said:

flatlandsman said:

I do not and never will understand the British obsession with number plates it makes ZERO difference to your car, it is a total and utter phallic extension, THAT IS ALL, keep your money and spend it something worthwhile. I see endless young lads with these stupid embossed number plates, nobody but you care, it looks so try hard and silly!

Why are you here? Every post is tosh.

Albeit he is at least correct !

To be fair, an MD at somewhere I used to work, told me, he was having serious reservations about a particular final year apprentice, based just on his smoked gel plate illegally spaced numberplate. His work ethic was excellent.
I had to remind him that we were all young once and I bet 35 years ago he did things that he now cringes about. He couldn't recall anything.

I actually just re read what Flatlandsman posted and see he was referring to 4D / smoked type plates etc. I actually agree about any plate that is technically illegal.