Blanket 20mph limit across Wales from 2023
Discussion
Evanivitch said:
Yes, smaller communties that are increasingly small because there's fewer year-round residents. Glad you're catching up with the logic... Which is why GP clinics (which are businesses), pharmacies (which are businesses) and public transport providers (which are businesses) withdraw from an area.
...brought about because of the WG policies to rearrange deck-chairs & kill off rural farming communities, rather than tackle all those things which would bring about growth, wealth, etc. and provide a reason for those essential services (which are businesses) to be in the areas.Don't bother answering.
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Evanivitch said:
Byker28i said:
Evanivitch said:
Yes, I can understand the benefits of fewer family homes in rural communties being taken out of the local community. Great news.
Doesn't happen, number of second homes registered in Pembrokeshire has been static since introduced in 2017, whilst 2000 new homes have been builtAs for Senedd waste, as you know, they also lost £155m due to poor account management, Serious concerns about record keeping relating to £80,000 payment made to the former Permanent Secretary, they paid the Permanent Secretary’s salary exceeding the advertised amount, didn't manage the COVID-19 business grants scheme, leading to fraud and erros in payments.
They even had a huge report with recommendations into the poor management
https://dmscdn.vuelio.co.uk/publicitem/e40654eb-49...
Byker28i said:
They even had a huge report with recommendations into the poor management
https://dmscdn.vuelio.co.uk/publicitem/e40654eb-49...
TBF - The WG is good at producing reports... It's about the only thing they do. https://dmscdn.vuelio.co.uk/publicitem/e40654eb-49...
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camel_landy said:
...brought about because of the WG policies to rearrange deck-chairs & kill off rural farming communities, rather than tackle all those things which would bring about growth, wealth, etc. and provide a reason for those essential services (which are businesses) to be in the areas.
Don't bother answering.
M
Remind me of all the policies WG has had over Farming, before Brexit and since. I shouldn't have to wait long, you know this, right?Don't bother answering.
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Byker28i said:
There was no trend, the numbers haven't changed, in fact decreased as a percentage of housing stock. Thats not down to any Senedd/Pembrokeshire policies, just natural house building companies building houses.
Proving the point. Homes have been built, but they've not been taken by second home owners. Great news!!The "lost" £155m that was returned to the tax payers? That "lost" money? It's funny how people pile on thr WG for underspending money, that was returned to the treasury, the same people complaining the Welsh Government wastes money...
Edited by Evanivitch on Thursday 14th March 13:11
Evanivitch said:
camel_landy said:
...brought about because of the WG policies to rearrange deck-chairs & kill off rural farming communities, rather than tackle all those things which would bring about growth, wealth, etc. and provide a reason for those essential services (which are businesses) to be in the areas.
Don't bother answering.
M
Remind me of all the policies WG has had over Farming, before Brexit and since. I shouldn't have to wait long, you know this, right?Don't bother answering.
M
mcpoot said:
Evanivitch said:
camel_landy said:
...brought about because of the WG policies to rearrange deck-chairs & kill off rural farming communities, rather than tackle all those things which would bring about growth, wealth, etc. and provide a reason for those essential services (which are businesses) to be in the areas.
Don't bother answering.
M
Remind me of all the policies WG has had over Farming, before Brexit and since. I shouldn't have to wait long, you know this, right?Don't bother answering.
M
monkfish1 said:
I would imagine its for kicks. Or something like that. Difficult to know the motivation?
I've said it before and I'll say it again:"Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
Itchy feels that everyone is entitled to his opinion... Sadly the arguments given betray blind prejudice rather than reasoned argument.
M
I think Lee Waters is going to save him the embarrassment when we end up with the madcap 20mph 'blanket' speed limit being reversed in all but name, it would't surprise me if we end with that many exceptions it will be like it would have been had someone with common sense introduced 20 limits where they were needed in the first place.
This way, the WG will be able to save face by blaming the local authorities (they like blaming other people for their shortcomings)
and get on with wasting more money on road signs.
This way, the WG will be able to save face by blaming the local authorities (they like blaming other people for their shortcomings)
and get on with wasting more money on road signs.
Roman Moroni said:
Penrhyn said:
A494 as soon as you join it from the M56 its 50mph which is controlled by Spec cameras. All done to reduce Pollution (Tata Shotton) , politians say its car pollution. It changes to 70mph just before the road becomes A55.
Should venture further West on the A55 be aware after jct31 there are specs cameras enforcing 70mph, be careful down the Rhuallt hill as often they position a camera in the laybys all the way to jct28.
Enjoy.
Thanks for the advice. Should venture further West on the A55 be aware after jct31 there are specs cameras enforcing 70mph, be careful down the Rhuallt hill as often they position a camera in the laybys all the way to jct28.
Enjoy.
Reduce pollution you say?? Maybe I should get my fully de-catted Impreza out of storage to redress the balance
Unfortunately, on this occasion, I won't be going any further then Mold; maybe next time.
Whilst there I got speaking to a (full time) Firefighter who works elsewhere in North Wales. I asked their opinion about the 20mph limit & if they'd noticed a decline in accidents/collisions. I was surprised by their reply. Apparently they haven't noticed any difference. What I found interesting is that on a 'call' they cannot go any faster than 20 mph over the speed limit; obviously this means that the maximum they can travel at in urban areas is 40. In the F/F mind, it has reduced the response time and delaying their arrival where every minute counts.
oakdale said:
I think Lee Waters is going to save him the embarrassment when we end up with the madcap 20mph 'blanket' speed limit being reversed in all but name, it would't surprise me if we end with that many exceptions it will be like it would have been had someone with common sense introduced 20 limits where they were needed in the first place.
This way, the WG will be able to save face by blaming the local authorities (they like blaming other people for their shortcomings)
and get on with wasting more money on road signs.
With respect, what are you talking about? There never was a blanket 20mph speed limit. What you're describing as a face saving getting out is how the scheme was intended to work from the start and how it HAS worked in reality.This way, the WG will be able to save face by blaming the local authorities (they like blaming other people for their shortcomings)
and get on with wasting more money on road signs.
Honestly, given the general level of hysterical nonsense that accompanies trying to change anything, I'm amazed anyone manages to get anything done at all.
ATG said:
With respect, what are you talking about? There never was a blanket 20mph speed limit. What you're describing as a face saving getting out is how the scheme was intended to work from the start and how it HAS worked in reality.
Honestly, given the general level of hysterical nonsense that accompanies trying to change anything, I'm amazed anyone manages to get anything done at all.
It's funny isn't it? WG have literally empowered local government to make local decisions with no drag back, and people Still complaining that WG are power hungry Honestly, given the general level of hysterical nonsense that accompanies trying to change anything, I'm amazed anyone manages to get anything done at all.
Well having spent the last three out of five working days in Wales here’s what I think
Errrm 20s aren’t an issue really, is the 30, 40, and 50 on roads that used to be 60 that is really an issue and no one appears to be bleating about those speed reductions probably ‘cause every dick just drives around 42
The stupid Wrexham 50 and the two sections of the M4 – really what is the point – just virtual signalling crap,
Speed reductions due to weak edge what the whole thing or just a short section, is there really a need to shut down miles of road to 30 and for what benefit?
If I’m going to go over the edge I’m going, at 60 I might be past it as it goes but whatever, if I’m going off the cliff and physics takes over.
50 across the moors why, was that set by a fun sponge
40 in the middle of the countryside ??
Why stick to 20s when they don’t at 30 or 40??
Errrm 20s aren’t an issue really, is the 30, 40, and 50 on roads that used to be 60 that is really an issue and no one appears to be bleating about those speed reductions probably ‘cause every dick just drives around 42
The stupid Wrexham 50 and the two sections of the M4 – really what is the point – just virtual signalling crap,
Speed reductions due to weak edge what the whole thing or just a short section, is there really a need to shut down miles of road to 30 and for what benefit?
If I’m going to go over the edge I’m going, at 60 I might be past it as it goes but whatever, if I’m going off the cliff and physics takes over.
50 across the moors why, was that set by a fun sponge
40 in the middle of the countryside ??
Why stick to 20s when they don’t at 30 or 40??
GSA_fattie said:
Well having spent the last three out of five working days in Wales here’s what I think
Errrm 20s aren’t an issue really, is the 30, 40, and 50 on roads that used to be 60 that is really an issue and no one appears to be bleating about those speed reductions probably ‘cause every dick just drives around 42
The stupid Wrexham 50 and the two sections of the M4 – really what is the point – just virtual signalling crap,
Speed reductions due to weak edge what the whole thing or just a short section, is there really a need to shut down miles of road to 30 and for what benefit?
If I’m going to go over the edge I’m going, at 60 I might be past it as it goes but whatever, if I’m going off the cliff and physics takes over.
50 across the moors why, was that set by a fun sponge
40 in the middle of the countryside ??
Why stick to 20s when they don’t at 30 or 40??
It's dumbing everything down rather than raising the standards up.Errrm 20s aren’t an issue really, is the 30, 40, and 50 on roads that used to be 60 that is really an issue and no one appears to be bleating about those speed reductions probably ‘cause every dick just drives around 42
The stupid Wrexham 50 and the two sections of the M4 – really what is the point – just virtual signalling crap,
Speed reductions due to weak edge what the whole thing or just a short section, is there really a need to shut down miles of road to 30 and for what benefit?
If I’m going to go over the edge I’m going, at 60 I might be past it as it goes but whatever, if I’m going off the cliff and physics takes over.
50 across the moors why, was that set by a fun sponge
40 in the middle of the countryside ??
Why stick to 20s when they don’t at 30 or 40??
The other thing I notice is that at the slightest hint of rain, all the matrix signs on the M4 display "Poor Driving Conditions". As soon as you get into England, nothing... They credit you with the intelligence to work it out for yourself.
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