Blanket 20mph limit across Wales from 2023

[Evanivitch]

camel_landy said:

Been round and round with that one and yet again you're still not listening...

M

Because Bob down the pub told you differently

[bennno]

Evanivitch said:

Because Bob down the pub told you differently

[moorx]

bennno said:

Evanivitch said:

Because Bob down the pub told you differently

To be fair, that could apply to a number of posters on here, not just the one you're directing it towards.

[Stella Tortoise]

moorx said:

I have been visiting Wales since I was a child (I'm now in my 50s) and have lived here for 12 years (worked here for 8) and really have no issue with the 20 limits which I've experienced.

The objection is mainly for political reasons.

[bennno]

Stella Tortoise said:

moorx said:

I have been visiting Wales since I was a child (I'm now in my 50s) and have lived here for 12 years (worked here for 8) and really have no issue with the 20 limits which I've experienced.

The objection is mainly for political reasons.

It’s not, they’ve been implemented unnecessarily at huge cost and with significant inconvenience.

It’s inconsistent, some councils accepted and implemented the blanket change, others like Cardiff raised exemptions from the blanket and retain 30 and 20’s as appropriate.

20’s outside schools and in dense residential centres would have been really simple and widely supported.

Drakkeford now saying during his exit interview that it was a 'default' change, perhaps rushed and not well implemented. No st sherlock.

Edited by bennno on Friday 15th March 18:51

[mcpoot]

You really have to admire the brass neck of Drippy Drakeford.

BBC reports - The First Minister of Wales has blamed drunks for the Welsh Labour government never once meeting its waiting time target in hospital accident and emergency departments.

[moorx]

Stella Tortoise said:

moorx said:

I have been visiting Wales since I was a child (I'm now in my 50s) and have lived here for 12 years (worked here for 8) and really have no issue with the 20 limits which I've experienced.

The objection is mainly for political reasons.

For opposition parties, perhaps, but generally not on this thread.

[ATG]

camel_landy said:

ATG said:

There never was a blanket 20mph speed limit.

It's a DEFAULT limit... ALL roads are 20mph unless categorised otherwise.

In the 'old days', where the DEFAULT limit was 30mph, to have a limit for anything other than 30mph, there has to be an explicit exemption in place.

M

Precisely. It's a default not a blanket. Getting exemptions in place for appropriate roads is no big deal.

[camel_landy]

ATG said:

Precisely. It's a default not a blanket. Getting exemptions in place for appropriate roads is no big deal.

Assuming the councils are well funded and the staff have the necessary bandwidth to deal with the paperwork, etc...

It would have been far easier (and cheaper) to leave it as it was and give the councils greater powers to implement 20s where necessary instead. IMO it'd be a win-win.

M

[ATG]

bennno said:

Stella Tortoise said:

moorx said:

I have been visiting Wales since I was a child (I'm now in my 50s) and have lived here for 12 years (worked here for 8) and really have no issue with the 20 limits which I've experienced.

The objection is mainly for political reasons.

It’s not, they’ve been implemented unnecessarily at huge cost and with significant inconvenience.

It’s inconsistent, some councils accepted and implemented the blanket change, others like Cardiff raised exemptions from the blanket and retain 30 and 20’s as appropriate.

20’s outside schools and in dense residential centres would have been really simple and widely supported.

Drakkeford now saying during his exit interview that it was a 'default' change, perhaps rushed and not well implemented. No st sherlock.

Edited by bennno on Friday 15th March 18:51

You're talking out of your arse. If you bothered to acquaint yourself with the facts you'd realise this. Ugghhh ... while trying to be a little imprecise, I have a vested interest in finding things to use to beat up Welsh Labour, but this policy doesn't offer that opportunity. You can spin an attack out of it, but it requires you to be completely intellectually bankrupt to do so. Needless to say that hasn't stopped a lot of Conservatives and Plaid gobstes. The ones with some integrity have kept their mouths shut.

[ATG]

camel_landy said:

ATG said:

Precisely. It's a default not a blanket. Getting exemptions in place for appropriate roads is no big deal.

Assuming the councils are well funded and the staff have the necessary bandwidth to deal with the paperwork, etc...

It would have been far easier (and cheaper) to leave it as it was and give the councils greater powers to implement 20s where necessary instead. IMO it'd be a win-win.

M

No it wouldn't. It makes sense for residential urban roads to be twenty by default. It saves the effort of getting exemptions from 30 on every bleeding cul de sac. The reality was that councils had to waste loads of time trying to impose 20s all over the place so they didn't bother. It is far easier for councils to operate in a framework where exemptions RAISE the limit. There is far less opposition. The councils already knows the thoroughfares through its towns and villages. Raising exemptions to keep them at 30 was a non-issue. This didn't create a blip on our county council's radar. Officers just got on with it. Compare and contrast with funding road repairs, subsidising bus routes, education, social services, etc

[bennno]

ATG said:

You're talking out of your arse. If you bothered to acquaint yourself with the facts you'd realise this. Ugghhh ... while trying to be a little imprecise, I have a vested interest in finding things to use to beat up Welsh Labour, but this policy doesn't offer that opportunity. You can spin an attack out of it, but it requires you to be completely intellectually bankrupt to do so. Needless to say that hasn't stopped a lot of Conservatives and Plaid gobstes. The ones with some integrity have kept their mouths shut.

Been on the sauce early?

You'll need to sober up and then try and post a cohesive and intelligible response back.

[ATG]

bennno said:

ATG said:

You're talking out of your arse. If you bothered to acquaint yourself with the facts you'd realise this. Ugghhh ... while trying to be a little imprecise, I have a vested interest in finding things to use to beat up Welsh Labour, but this policy doesn't offer that opportunity. You can spin an attack out of it, but it requires you to be completely intellectually bankrupt to do so. Needless to say that hasn't stopped a lot of Conservatives and Plaid gobstes. The ones with some integrity have kept their mouths shut.

Been on the sauce early?

You'll need to sober up and then try and post a cohesive and intelligible response back.

Really? By the way, the word you were looking for is "coherent".

[bennno]

ATG said:

Really? By the way, the word you were looking for is "coherent".

"Cohesive describes something that sticks together literally or figuratively"

[camel_landy]

ATG said:

No it wouldn't. It makes sense for residential urban roads to be twenty by default. It saves the effort of getting exemptions from 30 on every bleeding cul de sac.

Which is precisely what they've had to do with the Default 20mph. They've had to put signage up on "every bleeding cul de sac" in a lot of cases.

At least the other way, they have the option to create 20mph 'Zones', they could have put some thought into it, avoided the anomalies and had a more structured approach to the roll out.

M

[bennno]

camel_landy said:

Which is precisely what they've had to do with the Default 20mph. They've had to put signage up on "every bleeding cul de sac" in a lot of cases.

At least the other way, they have the option to create 20mph 'Zones', they could have put some thought into it, avoided the anomalies and had a more structured approach to the roll out.

M

100% agreed

[oakdale]

mcpoot said:

You really have to admire the brass neck of Drippy Drakeford.

BBC reports - The First Minister of Wales has blamed drunks for the Welsh Labour government never once meeting its waiting time target in hospital accident and emergency departments.

I saw the interview on the late BBC news last night, his excuses were pathetic.

[ATG]

bennno said:

ATG said:

Really? By the way, the word you were looking for is "coherent".

"Cohesive describes something that sticks together literally or figuratively"

If you think "sticks together" is a good way to describe a coherent argument, fill your boots.

[bennno]

ATG said:

bennno said:

ATG said:

Really? By the way, the word you were looking for is "coherent".

"Cohesive describes something that sticks together literally or figuratively"

If you think "sticks together" is a good way to describe a coherent argument, fill your boots.

I never used coherent, I used cohesive and provided the dictionary definition of that word. So you are literally arguing with yourself at this point.

[Stella Tortoise]

bennno said:

Stella Tortoise said:

moorx said:

I have been visiting Wales since I was a child (I'm now in my 50s) and have lived here for 12 years (worked here for 8) and really have no issue with the 20 limits which I've experienced.

The objection is mainly for political reasons.

It’s not, they’ve been implemented unnecessarily at huge cost and with significant inconvenience.

It’s inconsistent, some councils accepted and implemented the blanket change, others like Cardiff raised exemptions from the blanket and retain 30 and 20’s as appropriate.

20’s outside schools and in dense residential centres would have been really simple and widely supported.

Drakkeford now saying during his exit interview that it was a 'default' change, perhaps rushed and not well implemented. No st sherlock.

Edited by bennno on Friday 15th March 18:51

It may not be in your experience.

I am not a fan of the new speed limits at all, they really didn’t need meddling with.

However, much of the bhing that I see about them on here and elsewhere is clearly motivated by political beliefs, i.e.tories st stirring about labour policy.

For the record I support neither party.