Blanket 20mph limit across Wales from 2023
Discussion
All these tourists coming here an moaning about it he changed / confusing limits me laugh,
imagine them driving off motorway in mainland Europe when their speedos will be in mph & the signs will be in kph!
As a local Swansea / Neath area) I can’t say it’s made much difference at all, certainly in terms of journey times.
Perhaps it’s different if you live elsewhere.
imagine them driving off motorway in mainland Europe when their speedos will be in mph & the signs will be in kph!
As a local Swansea / Neath area) I can’t say it’s made much difference at all, certainly in terms of journey times.
Perhaps it’s different if you live elsewhere.
Squadrone Rosso said:
All these tourists coming here an moaning about it he changed / confusing limits me laugh,
imagine them driving off motorway in mainland Europe when their speedos will be in mph & the signs will be in kph!
As a local Swansea / Neath area) I can’t say it’s made much difference at all, certainly in terms of journey times.
Perhaps it’s different if you live elsewhere.
I agree, I live up on the North wales border and cross backwards and forwards over the border every time i venture out in a car. The reality round here is every 20 limit is driven at 25+, it makes very little difference to journey times, as most 20 limits that were 30 you could not easily go 30 most of the time. Most of the roads are still national limit. I have not seen any signage that is any more confusing than it was before the change. This may well be different in the cities of south Wales but I have not been there to find out.imagine them driving off motorway in mainland Europe when their speedos will be in mph & the signs will be in kph!
As a local Swansea / Neath area) I can’t say it’s made much difference at all, certainly in terms of journey times.
Perhaps it’s different if you live elsewhere.
carreauchompeur said:
I’ve only just experienced this on a Welsh trip. Completely disorganised, random limit changes and roundels on the road with the wrong limits. Lack of repeater signs so you’re not sure if it’s 20.30 or whatever.
I cant speak for all of wales and every single road, but you need to understand the default is 20, not 30. So all the 20 repeaters were (should have been) removed. You could argue thats illogical, but thats the only way it could be done within the law about such things. ie, if there a street lights, its 20 unless signposted otherwise.Now, you should see repeaters in a 30 instead, as that is NOT the default speed limit, same as a 40 through a village for example as occurs everwhere in england too.
Though you would be correct that in some places the number of speed limit changes within very short distances is a nonsense. I have no doubt, that in time, this will be tested in law and found to be unresonable. But this will be vety specific areas where implementation has been woeful.
I drove home from Portsmouth recently, the first 20 restriction was half a mile from home, no big deal.
All the tourists drive slow here anyway due to narrow streets and sea views, there’s a bend in the road with a good sea view as you come out of it, the tourists almost come to a complete halt. It’s a kind of ‘f
k me it’s the sea’ moment.
All the tourists drive slow here anyway due to narrow streets and sea views, there’s a bend in the road with a good sea view as you come out of it, the tourists almost come to a complete halt. It’s a kind of ‘f
k me it’s the sea’ moment.I live in Wales and drive both locally and across Wales. There are clear variations in implementation between the different Counties. Comparable stretches of roads have different limits set by each Council. There is a lack of consistency in the determination of a road’s limit. Going through villages is the main area of different implementation. If a village is on an A road then some councils set it at 20 whilst others can be 40. After driving through many I still question why the differences are there having paid attention to the nature of comparable villages. Road structure, types of housing, schools, industrial areas etc.. My impression is that those deciding in each county have different views/ideology/pragmatism/common sense attitude.
Yes, changing the default to 20 from 30 means each council had the opportunity to impose it with exemptions but the outcome is a confusion of what is now in place.
Yes, changing the default to 20 from 30 means each council had the opportunity to impose it with exemptions but the outcome is a confusion of what is now in place.
You okay, hun?sospan said:
I live in Wales and drive both locally and across Wales. There are clear variations in implementation between the different Counties. Comparable stretches of roads have different limits set by each Council. There is a lack of consistency in the determination of a road’s limit. Going through villages is the main area of different implementation. If a village is on an A road then some councils set it at 20 whilst others can be 40. After driving through many I still question why the differences are there having paid attention to the nature of comparable villages. Road structure, types of housing, schools, industrial areas etc.. My impression is that those deciding in each county have different views/ideology/pragmatism/common sense attitude.
Yes, changing the default to 20 from 30 means each council had the opportunity to impose it with exemptions but the outcome is a confusion of what is now in place.
In powys at least, plenty of instances of villages littered along roads. Before they were 30 and 40. Now they are all 20 and 40. Which is bizarre to say the least. As many are fairly comparable in terms of risk.Yes, changing the default to 20 from 30 means each council had the opportunity to impose it with exemptions but the outcome is a confusion of what is now in place.
But as discussed already, it was a nonsensical way to achieve an objective.
monkfish1 said:
In powys at least, plenty of instances of villages littered along roads. Before they were 30 and 40. Now they are all 20 and 40. Which is bizarre to say the least. As many are fairly comparable in terms of risk.
But as discussed already, it was a nonsensical way to achieve an objective.
If the objective was to p*ss off the motorist, then Senedd has done a particularly good job But as discussed already, it was a nonsensical way to achieve an objective.
bigothunter said:
monkfish1 said:
In powys at least, plenty of instances of villages littered along roads. Before they were 30 and 40. Now they are all 20 and 40. Which is bizarre to say the least. As many are fairly comparable in terms of risk.
But as discussed already, it was a nonsensical way to achieve an objective.
If the objective was to p*ss off the motorist, then Senedd has done a particularly good job But as discussed already, it was a nonsensical way to achieve an objective.
Its a bizarre place the country has arrived at, it has to be said.
monkfish1 said:
bigothunter said:
monkfish1 said:
In powys at least, plenty of instances of villages littered along roads. Before they were 30 and 40. Now they are all 20 and 40. Which is bizarre to say the least. As many are fairly comparable in terms of risk.
But as discussed already, it was a nonsensical way to achieve an objective.
If the objective was to p*ss off the motorist, then Senedd has done a particularly good job But as discussed already, it was a nonsensical way to achieve an objective.
Its a bizarre place the country has arrived at, it has to be said.
sospan said:
I live in Wales and drive both locally and across Wales. There are clear variations in implementation between the different Counties. Comparable stretches of roads have different limits set by each Council. There is a lack of consistency in the determination of a road’s limit. Going through villages is the main area of different implementation. If a village is on an A road then some councils set it at 20 whilst others can be 40. After driving through many I still question why the differences are there having paid attention to the nature of comparable villages. Road structure, types of housing, schools, industrial areas etc.. My impression is that those deciding in each county have different views/ideology/pragmatism/common sense attitude.
Yes, changing the default to 20 from 30 means each council had the opportunity to impose it with exemptions but the outcome is a confusion of what is now in place.
The A40 was closed yesterday between St Clears and Carmarthen, as there was a fatal accident early morning.Yes, changing the default to 20 from 30 means each council had the opportunity to impose it with exemptions but the outcome is a confusion of what is now in place.
It caused absolute chaos as for some reason the closure was only reported on Wales online, it didn't make it to sat navs, Highways Wales maps, Google Maps, Waze etc
It;s the only main road out of south west Wales, all roads lead to Carmarthen and from there. We were fairly near the front of the queue but the police tried directing people around the small roads which soon gridlocked. A local we know in St Clears passed us and told us she's tried to get to Carmarthen and had given up and gone home.
So we turned around and headed north and cut across the middle of Wales as all of the Carmarten area was rammed solid., Newcastle Emlyn, Lampeter, Builth, Ross on Wye, Gloucester.
So we had the delights of many, many 50, 30, 20, 30, 40, 20 etc start stop, slow down. Sorry but anyone who says it has no impact on journeys really doesn't drive around Wales. There was a significant part at 20mph, through every village, every population area, plus slow down areas before them. 5 Welsh counties, interesting to see how many of the 20mph signs had been vandelised to read 30mph
DodgyGeezer said:
monkfish1 said:
bigothunter said:
monkfish1 said:
In powys at least, plenty of instances of villages littered along roads. Before they were 30 and 40. Now they are all 20 and 40. Which is bizarre to say the least. As many are fairly comparable in terms of risk.
But as discussed already, it was a nonsensical way to achieve an objective.
If the objective was to p*ss off the motorist, then Senedd has done a particularly good job But as discussed already, it was a nonsensical way to achieve an objective.
Its a bizarre place the country has arrived at, it has to be said.
monkfish1 said:
DodgyGeezer said:
monkfish1 said:
bigothunter said:
monkfish1 said:
In powys at least, plenty of instances of villages littered along roads. Before they were 30 and 40. Now they are all 20 and 40. Which is bizarre to say the least. As many are fairly comparable in terms of risk.
But as discussed already, it was a nonsensical way to achieve an objective.
If the objective was to p*ss off the motorist, then Senedd has done a particularly good job But as discussed already, it was a nonsensical way to achieve an objective.
Its a bizarre place the country has arrived at, it has to be said.
Frimley111R said:
It's this stupid 'Zero road deaths' policy. Of course, everyone wants that but the government just respond to everything with 'if it saves one life...' There is zero effort to educate pedestrians and cyclists.
Sadly the "Zero road death" policy gets twisted to meet narratives... If you're against the suggested changes, then you obviously want people to die.It's the same with the "Educate, don't legislate" suggestion I made. The stats clearly point the finger at boys and young men but suggest we target road safety education at that group and certain folk here get up in arms.
Instead of dumbing everything down, I think we should try to raise standards but some people disagree.
IMO - Darwin had a point.
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