Blanket 20mph limit across Wales from 2023
Discussion
Evanivitch said:
bigothunter said:
A blanket with 3% holes is still a blanket. To argue otherwise is just pedantry.
3%? 
Was the M4 an exemption? Even Senedd has not proposed limiting the M4 to 20 mph.
bigothunter said:
oakdale said:
Itchy won't be happy 
After the election when a whole load of new, anti people policies start happening, 20mph limits will be forgotten quickly enough.
monkfish1 said:
bigothunter said:
oakdale said:
Itchy won't be happy After the election when a whole load of new, anti people policies start happening, 20mph limits will be forgotten quickly enough.
Any of you can write to your local council to review the limit.
A reply to mine is below.
STARTS
Thank you for your correspondence.
We note your request to review the speed limits on
Marine Drive, Rhos on Sea (466/02012)
Glan Y Mor, Penrhyn Bay (466/08046)
Brompton Avenue, Rhos on Sea (466/01910)
Llandudno Road, Penrhyn Bay (466/01995)
Conway Road, Mochdre (466/04445)
Brynai Road, Llandudno (466/01143)
Gloddaeth Avenue, Llandudno (466/52541)
Deganwy Road, Deganwy (466/05446)
We accept that some road sections may need reviewing after the national 20 mph speed limit change and this is something that Conwy County Borough Council will be undertaking in due course.
Welsh Government announced that it will be reviewing the guidance and exception criteria provided to councils, clearly, we will have to take this into account as well. A review would need to be in accordance with Welsh Government guidance and we would give particular weight to the views of residents who live on the road section in question. We will not make any final decisions until we know what changes are made to the criteria, therefore the timescales and procedure for a review are yet to be decided. This is the position of most, if not all, local authorities in Wales.
We trust that the above is explanatory.
Regards,
Adran Traffig
Traffic Section
ENDS
An interesting development:
20mph Wales: Some roads to revert to 30mph after backlash
20mph Wales: Some roads to revert to 30mph after backlash
BBC News said:
Some roads in Wales will revert to 30mph following backlash at the Welsh government's £34m default 20mph policy.
Transport minister Ken Skates said the changes will address the concerns that "a lot of people" have raised "on a consistent basis".
"We've put our hands up to say the guidance has to be corrected," he said.
MTransport minister Ken Skates said the changes will address the concerns that "a lot of people" have raised "on a consistent basis".
"We've put our hands up to say the guidance has to be corrected," he said.
Penrhyn said:
monkfish1 said:
bigothunter said:
oakdale said:
Itchy won't be happy After the election when a whole load of new, anti people policies start happening, 20mph limits will be forgotten quickly enough.
Any of you can write to your local council to review the limit.
A reply to mine is below.
STARTS
Thank you for your correspondence.
We note your request to review the speed limits on
Marine Drive, Rhos on Sea (466/02012)
Glan Y Mor, Penrhyn Bay (466/08046)
Brompton Avenue, Rhos on Sea (466/01910)
Llandudno Road, Penrhyn Bay (466/01995)
Conway Road, Mochdre (466/04445)
Brynai Road, Llandudno (466/01143)
Gloddaeth Avenue, Llandudno (466/52541)
Deganwy Road, Deganwy (466/05446)
We accept that some road sections may need reviewing after the national 20 mph speed limit change and this is something that Conwy County Borough Council will be undertaking in due course.
Welsh Government announced that it will be reviewing the guidance and exception criteria provided to councils, clearly, we will have to take this into account as well. A review would need to be in accordance with Welsh Government guidance and we would give particular weight to the views of residents who live on the road section in question. We will not make any final decisions until we know what changes are made to the criteria, therefore the timescales and procedure for a review are yet to be decided. This is the position of most, if not all, local authorities in Wales.
We trust that the above is explanatory.
Regards,
Adran Traffig
Traffic Section
ENDS
The councils of course, wont raise them, as they will then be culpable for "increasing" the speed limit when theres an accident that will be argued would be less severe or would not have happened at a lower speed.
Add to which, they will as per your letter, give particular weight to residents. Note, residents, not the people using the road. Most residents will be quite happy with there new speed limit. Of course, those same people, will, doubtless, want limits raised elsewhere.
Net result, residents say no, council do nothing. Add to which, where will the money come from?
Nobody in a coucils is going to sign of an increase for all the above reasons. Why would you, when it goes pear shaped, you run the risk of losing your liberty.
Net result, nothing will change.
monkfish1 said:
The councils of course, wont raise them, as they will then be culpable for "increasing" the speed limit when theres an accident that will be argued would be less severe or would not have happened at a lower speed.
Which is why the 'Default' needs to be reverted (ie: nationally by the WG) and 20mph applied at a local level.M
camel_landy said:
monkfish1 said:
The councils of course, wont raise them, as they will then be culpable for "increasing" the speed limit when theres an accident that will be argued would be less severe or would not have happened at a lower speed.
Which is why the 'Default' needs to be reverted (ie: nationally by the WG) and 20mph applied at a local level.M
camel_landy said:
An interesting development:
20mph Wales: Some roads to revert to 30mph after backlash
Typial BBc headline. And completely untrue. This bit: Some roads in Wales will revert to 30mph20mph Wales: Some roads to revert to 30mph after backlash
BBC News said:
Some roads in Wales will revert to 30mph following backlash at the Welsh government's £34m default 20mph policy.
Transport minister Ken Skates said the changes will address the concerns that "a lot of people" have raised "on a consistent basis".
"We've put our hands up to say the guidance has to be corrected," he said.
MTransport minister Ken Skates said the changes will address the concerns that "a lot of people" have raised "on a consistent basis".
"We've put our hands up to say the guidance has to be corrected," he said.
And the article explains why. As per previous posts, guidance will change. After the implementation. Brilliant, and we pay for these morons.
camel_landy said:
monkfish1 said:
The councils of course, wont raise them, as they will then be culpable for "increasing" the speed limit when theres an accident that will be argued would be less severe or would not have happened at a lower speed.
Which is why the 'Default' needs to be reverted (ie: nationally by the WG) and 20mph applied at a local level.M
monkfish1 said:
Nothing is going to change, certainly no limits will be raised back up. Just pre election noise, to divert attention from an unpopular policy
After the election when a whole load of new, anti people policies start happening, 20mph limits will be forgotten quickly enough.
I prefer oakdale's version. We shall see After the election when a whole load of new, anti people policies start happening, 20mph limits will be forgotten quickly enough.
oakdale said:
We'll end up with the 'blanket' 20mph project being reversed in all but name.
This way, the WG will get to blame someone else for the backlash (the local authorities), as is the WG way.
This way, the WG will get to blame someone else for the backlash (the local authorities), as is the WG way.
otolith said:
Reading between the lines it is now saying that the application of 20mph limits needs to be pragmatic and targeted to areas where there are vulnerable people present. Is that not how 20mph zones were applied before this grand gesture?
It was and it’s how it was done in England. Schools, hospitals, residential estates. bennno said:
otolith said:
Reading between the lines it is now saying that the application of 20mph limits needs to be pragmatic and targeted to areas where there are vulnerable people present. Is that not how 20mph zones were applied before this grand gesture?
It was and it’s how it was done in England. Schools, hospitals, residential estates. CoolHands said:
Sadly the WG is clearly like some posters on this thread and revel in the fact that at a minimum £32m has been wasted on this blanket change and there’s jack s
t the public can do about it. It makes them happy.
Promises to look at the guidance is just electioneering
Wasted? £32m one off payment to save the NHS £96m per year. Bargain.t the public can do about it. It makes them happy. Promises to look at the guidance is just electioneering
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