1 point & £60 fine for not stopping at red
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Why not? It's getting worse. I am sick of it. It's almost like a virus. As someone said on the thread elsewhere, it's as if a red light means the guy behind has to stop. If there were cameras on each set of traffic lights at A road junctions, it would be a start. And I hate SCams where they deny the careful driver the joy of driving swiftly, so I aint being a nark. It's just I do not want to see someone die before my eyes cos some pillock is in denial when the lights change
AMBER MEANS SLOW
RED IS NO GO!!
AMBER MEANS SLOW
RED IS NO GO!!
shadowfax said:
AMBER MEANS SLOW
RED IS NO GO!!
AMBER means 'Stop' at the stopline.
You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident.
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Can’t disagree with the rest; this problem really does seem to be getting worse. Yellow box junctions huggers are also an arse.
What about drivers who carefully go through a red to allow an emergency vehicle to pass.
What about drivers who carefully go through a red to stop a nutter in a ten ton skip lorry from crashing into the back of them.
What about drivers who carefully go through a red that has been red for 5 minutes?
A mate of mine got 6 points for this offence a few years back. Thoroughly deserved in that case!
What about drivers who carefully go through a red to stop a nutter in a ten ton skip lorry from crashing into the back of them.
What about drivers who carefully go through a red that has been red for 5 minutes?
A mate of mine got 6 points for this offence a few years back. Thoroughly deserved in that case!
Smeggy - appreciate the pedantry. In reply, I meant 'slow down THEN stop' when amber shows. Nowadays, it's as if folks just ignore this missive completely and take it to mean "just put tunnel vision on and floor the right foot and hope for the best, after all i am in a rush arent I".
I mean, if our Griff and my ol Jetta can stop at lights turning thru amber to red - without anti lock brakes - how hard is it for the mercs, beemers, audis, mondeos, vauxhalls, ........ SOMETIMES WITH KIDDIES ON BOARD
to do the same
Leo - point taken. But there'd be appeals. There's currently no appeal for the dead
I'd just like to see a campaign to get people back to safety & reality
>> Edited by shadowfax on Friday 5th August 17:43
I mean, if our Griff and my ol Jetta can stop at lights turning thru amber to red - without anti lock brakes - how hard is it for the mercs, beemers, audis, mondeos, vauxhalls, ........ SOMETIMES WITH KIDDIES ON BOARD
to do the same Leo - point taken. But there'd be appeals. There's currently no appeal for the dead
I'd just like to see a campaign to get people back to safety & reality
>> Edited by shadowfax on Friday 5th August 17:43
leosayer said:
What about drivers who carefully go through a red that has been red for 5 minutes?
Or the bikers who are forced to do this because the induction loop hasn't been set up correctly and won't detect a bike, and the lights haven't been programmed correctly and don't run through their cycle in the absence of traffic, so you know you'll be there forever? It would be just typical for the induction loop for the red light camera to be more sensitive than the one for the lights...
Zod said:
Can’t disagree with the rest; this problem really does seem to be getting worse. Yellow box junctions huggers are also an arse.
or the arses who beep you for notadvancing into a box junction when you can see the exit is not clear and won't be for some time.
Or the arses in the turning-right lane at a light controlled box junction who don't advance into the box when intending to turn right but blocked by oncoming traffic, so the lights go red again with perhaps one car having got across the line...
It would help a LOT if councils (esp. in London) didn't keep making the waiting times at traffic lights longer and longer, which increases the incentive for people to "beat the lights". I hate it when I'm waiting to turn right, second in the queue, but fail to make it because too many people coming in the opposite direction fail to stop on red. But I also hate sitting waiting at a junction where no traffic moves in any direction for 60-90 seconds while no pedestrians cross either!
charltm said:That's called car "gating" and today's generation of lentilist traffic mismanagers consider it their duty to cause congestion using this as one method - then they can charge motorists for it by introducing congestion charging.
But I also hate sitting waiting at a junction where no traffic moves in any direction for 60-90 seconds while no pedestrians cross either!
Same mismanagement techniques apply to the re-engineering that builds out pavements near bus stop areas in town centres, so no cars can get by while the buses queue up and belch out their carcinogens for everyone to breathe.
So you see it all makes perfect sense really
charltm said:
It would help a LOT if councils (esp. in London) didn't keep making the waiting times at traffic lights longer and longer, which increases the incentive for people to "beat the lights". I hate it when I'm waiting to turn right, second in the queue, but fail to make it because too many people coming in the opposite direction fail to stop on red. But I also hate sitting waiting at a junction where no traffic moves in any direction for 60-90 seconds while no pedestrians cross either!
Bear in mind also that the timings of amber can be a little mysterious. Espeically difficult if you are just at the go/nogo decision point at a busy set of lights (It happened to me on a roundaboout a coupe of weeks ago) when the lights change from green. I was following another vehicle in the middle lane of a 3 lane light controlled roundabout. The lights were green and I needed to change lanes. I checked my mirrors, all clear, looked back and the lights were amber and changed to red as I crossed the line a split second later. To react and stop I would have had to brake quite hard - harder than I would want to in case there was some nutter I could not see behind me jumping the previous set of lights which were clearly green as I passed them.
I think there may ba a very short amber section in the program at that junction.
In the middle of my village there is a staggered cross roads. Heading south there is a filter light for right turners and it is normal to have 3 or even 4 vehicles awaiting the opportunity to turn when the north bound traffic has been stopped. But at some points druing the day the program omits the filter arrow - so we often have 3 or 4 cars 'stuck' in nomansland. Does one go against the red and run the risk of those coming out of the road on the right hitting you as they head across the stagger or turn right? Or do you sit there and get in the way of the each of the side roads as they in turn get the green light?
Most people, certainly all the regular users, do the sensible thing and go. It would be interesting to see what a camera would make of it.
edc - as a bus driver, you should report to your line manager, in writing, and get local Council Highways dept to change the response times of the lights.
If nothing else, to judge from these replies, maybe sequences could be reviewed nationally. As in , when one turns to red, there could be a longer delay before the next light changes to red amber.
The SCam income generation debate will go on & on, but at the end of the day, red means stop. Modern cars have anti lock brakes. They never had them when the law was writ: if you cant stop and you get done, it's tough titty and applies to us all. Appeals are always possible and would be more likely to succeeed if people raise problems at particular lights with the Councils concerned. That way, you can point to your concern in the future if needed.
But my hope is that by raising the issus, it may save a limb or two , at least
If nothing else, to judge from these replies, maybe sequences could be reviewed nationally. As in , when one turns to red, there could be a longer delay before the next light changes to red amber.
The SCam income generation debate will go on & on, but at the end of the day, red means stop. Modern cars have anti lock brakes. They never had them when the law was writ: if you cant stop and you get done, it's tough titty and applies to us all. Appeals are always possible and would be more likely to succeeed if people raise problems at particular lights with the Councils concerned. That way, you can point to your concern in the future if needed.
But my hope is that by raising the issus, it may save a limb or two , at least
I gto 3pnts and £60 fine for 'jumping' a red last year. Truth is I wsn't aware I had jumped it until the letter arrived. I thought no point in contesting and asking for a photo as it would show me crossing a red I expected. Put my hands up and said it was me. When the details came through evidently I had gone through the red 1.6 secs after it changed at 17mph.
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There is a couple of jcts in glasgow that i actively avoid now because of red light jumping making them so dodgy.
A couple of occassions at one in particular (T -Jct) i have had to stop mid jct after moving from stationary on green. I may be in the right but it doesn't help when you get T boned!
A couple of occassions at one in particular (T -Jct) i have had to stop mid jct after moving from stationary on green. I may be in the right but it doesn't help when you get T boned!
There is a traffic controlled roundabout close to where I work (Sunbury Cross). If there isn’t some git stationary on the yellow cross hatch blocking everyone, then there is almost always a jumper, at every phase, at every exit. If you are on the roundabout and your lights go green, it is recommended you check left to make sure no-one is bombing from the exits. Lane discipline is also terrible, many drivers enter in the left lane (of three) and cut across to the right taking the 5th – yes the fifth exit!
It really is that bad!
It really is that bad!
777 - fair point. But KB & Smeggy show what it's like for the guy pulling out.
We have a weird set up at present. There seem to be more people taking chances and driving aggressively, yet there seem less Jam Butty cars about than 20 years ago when I passed my test and was always on the look out for them
Today there are mobile phones that can be used, legally or otherwise, to raise a concern to Police if we see a dangerous driver. Maybe there'll be a car sent out and perhaps the offender will be caught further up the road in the act of breaking the Law. If so, it's likely it'll be more than three points, if it's dangerous driving.
Maybe someone's life will be saved andperhaps the driver will realise the madness of his minutes of error. Some peoples' driving is well out of order nowadays.
Yet, we have a situation where in towns all over the Land, folk are just going through Red like proverbial Lemmings.
3 points or more if a Bobby spots it
If Local Councils adopt an S-Cam approach, maybe they can seek their own penalty...?
But, nout if noone does out
Either way, Death or invalidity for life is a heartbeat away.
>> Edited by shadowfax on Friday 12th August 23:23
We have a weird set up at present. There seem to be more people taking chances and driving aggressively, yet there seem less Jam Butty cars about than 20 years ago when I passed my test and was always on the look out for them
Today there are mobile phones that can be used, legally or otherwise, to raise a concern to Police if we see a dangerous driver. Maybe there'll be a car sent out and perhaps the offender will be caught further up the road in the act of breaking the Law. If so, it's likely it'll be more than three points, if it's dangerous driving.
Maybe someone's life will be saved andperhaps the driver will realise the madness of his minutes of error. Some peoples' driving is well out of order nowadays.
Yet, we have a situation where in towns all over the Land, folk are just going through Red like proverbial Lemmings.
KB_S1 said:
There is a couple of jcts in glasgow that i actively avoid now because of red light jumping making them so dodgy.
A couple of occassions at one in particular (T -Jct) i have had to stop mid jct after moving from stationary on green. I may be in the right but it doesn't help when you get T boned!
3 points or more if a Bobby spots it
If Local Councils adopt an S-Cam approach, maybe they can seek their own penalty...?
But, nout if noone does out
Either way, Death or invalidity for life is a heartbeat away.
>> Edited by shadowfax on Friday 12th August 23:23
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