Car confiscated for Speeding
Discussion
Big Fat F'er said:
Well deserved. The d*ckH**ds that think they can drive, but wouldn't be able to control a dinky toy, should have their transport taken off.
I ain't talking 'bout plain speeding (which is bad enough), I'm talking about tailgating, undertaking, lane hopping, etc., etc.,etc.
The sooner we start to criticise these wasters, and point out to them how badly they drive, the better. I'll start it off..."going around a corner fast, but over the line, isn't good driving, it's lack of control. So learn to control your car, or leave it to the rest of us who can".
While I do sympathise with this, I think the possibilities for these powers being applied arbitrarily, or abused, or being used in a racket is rather too large.
Our law does have at concept the base that a person cannot be done simply because the law enforcement or whatever else "says so" ; that say so, whatever its merit, should be challengeable.
I do not care for the increasingly large number of arbitrary powers the Government and the Police Service wishes to give itself.
Despite what they claim they will be used for they generally are used in somewhat dubious fashion.
Examples include the Leicester Square "Demonstrators", the curfew laws used as a blanket, ASBOs in general, and the laws supposedly designed to stop "stalking" (used for anything but) ; and of course the abuse of "Safety cameras" en masse.
Time and again we hear this is for a special purpose, or will only be used in extremis, and time and again this is shown to be a falsehood.
I fully support trafpol (not *!*!*!*!* Cameras !) in their attempts to crackdown on genuinely "dangerous driving" but think that such should be dealt with by the courts or magistrates.
tinman0 said:
Errm, iirc this act is about inconsiderate yobs, the sort who do donuts outside your house for hours at a time, have a stereo that could drown out Heathrow airport and so forth. Generally - people who are winding the general public up with loutish behaviour.
If you recall, ASBOs were supposed to be used for such people, as were curfews and have ended up being used for all sorts of reasons. So were the rules on groups meeting together, the anti-stalking laws etc etc etc.
The ASBO served on a local farmer here for allowing pigs to escape is almost certainly connected with the fact that a prominent local councillor is his neighbour.
There is far too much of this sort of stuff for my liking, including the appalling use of ASBOs as a threat against children who have Autism (which I am connected with as you might guess), who can neither control that behaviour or understand the ASBO itself.
I doubt it would change mine. No matter how scrotey the driver or sheddy the car, nothing should be done to them except what is ordered by a court after they have been justly convicted. Point of principle. It may be an inconvenient principle in some cases but it is an extremely important one.
I think its all fair and good to punish people if they are breaking the law but I see one problem with this - £105 fine is ok but £12/day storage fee?
What happens if the person is in "financial difficulty" and can't afford to pay the £105 straight away? The £12/day storage fee could cause them serious problems and they may have problems getting to work to make the money to pay the fine as they don't have a car.
What happens if the person is in "financial difficulty" and can't afford to pay the £105 straight away? The £12/day storage fee could cause them serious problems and they may have problems getting to work to make the money to pay the fine as they don't have a car.
m1spw said:Personally I think the fine is daylight robbery but your point about storage fees and depriving someone of their car is spot on. Forcing anyone to use cattle transport is just plain mean too. The whole affair is quite simply an attack on the krooze culture, an anti-car initiative with cash-grabbing thrown in as always. We may not (or may) attend cruises but these people aren't all idiots.
I think its all fair and good to punish people if they are breaking the law but I see one problem with this - £105 fine is ok but £12/day storage fee?
What happens if the person is in "financial difficulty" and can't afford to pay the £105 straight away? The £12/day storage fee could cause them serious problems and they may have problems getting to work to make the money to pay the fine as they don't have a car.
Not paying attention to their speedo and their speed? Maybe looking at the road ahead?
Origional Article said:
"The vehicle was seen driving in a dangerous manner by exceeding the speed limit," said PC Bateman.
So there's your answer. If plod reckoned he was driving dangerously, then get him up before the beak and prove dangerous driving. That can carry jail time, can't it? No problems with confiscation then, and it gets matey off the road for a while.
Or is that way too much work and effort?
m1spw said:
I think its all fair and good to punish people if they are breaking the law but I see one problem with this - £105 fine is ok but £12/day storage fee?
What happens if the person is in "financial difficulty" and can't afford to pay the £105 straight away? The £12/day storage fee could cause them serious problems and they may have problems getting to work to make the money to pay the fine as they don't have a car.
Same thing as happens with the Scum if it were to cause you to lose your job and home .... "who cares"
turbobloke said:
[Personally I think the fine is daylight robbery but your point about storage fees and depriving someone of their car is spot on. Forcing anyone to use cattle transport is just plain mean too. The whole affair is quite simply an attack on the krooze culture, an anti-car initiative with cash-grabbing thrown in as always. We may not (or may) attend cruises but these people aren't all idiots.
Not paying attention to their speedo and their speed? Maybe looking at the road ahead?
..... depends. Where I live the option of Cattle Transport is non-existent.
Well, that's not actually true. There is *one* bus. It is a two hour journey each way, and if it went in a straight line its about 17 miles or so.
Trouble is, more I read, more I want to get these wasters put down. It's the frustration about not being able to do anything that makes normally rational, sane human beings ballistic.
I still stick with saying take it off them, BUT I also say get them in court as well. Then lock 'em up (assuming they are guilty). By the way, same with the ones that constantly refuse to tax the car. Or get insurance. Or dirve without a licence.
I agree they are not all chavs. I dont care what creed they are, I want to stop them hurting me and mine. Generally, the PH'ers are sane and sensible, they don't drive fast to intimidate, they drive fast because they are able to. HOWEVER, get too close to me, and accept the consequences.
When I talked about going over the line, I am talking about the sharp, tight, blind corners I go through every day to work. The number of absolute wenkars that cause me to swerve is unbelievable. Trust me they aren't doing it 'cos they can drive, and appreciate driving into a corner, they are doing it 'cos they can't control the car.
Tell you what, re the 3 guys in the hothatch that drove up to the roundabout in excess of 50mph in the small residential village on Sunday (30mph zone), and screeched round it, causing residents to jump out of the way...you treat 'em nice, and let them keep the car, but.... my way gets them off the streets....permanently!
I still stick with saying take it off them, BUT I also say get them in court as well. Then lock 'em up (assuming they are guilty). By the way, same with the ones that constantly refuse to tax the car. Or get insurance. Or dirve without a licence.
I agree they are not all chavs. I dont care what creed they are, I want to stop them hurting me and mine. Generally, the PH'ers are sane and sensible, they don't drive fast to intimidate, they drive fast because they are able to. HOWEVER, get too close to me, and accept the consequences.
When I talked about going over the line, I am talking about the sharp, tight, blind corners I go through every day to work. The number of absolute wenkars that cause me to swerve is unbelievable. Trust me they aren't doing it 'cos they can drive, and appreciate driving into a corner, they are doing it 'cos they can't control the car.
Tell you what, re the 3 guys in the hothatch that drove up to the roundabout in excess of 50mph in the small residential village on Sunday (30mph zone), and screeched round it, causing residents to jump out of the way...you treat 'em nice, and let them keep the car, but.... my way gets them off the streets....permanently!
m1spw said:
What happens if the person is in "financial difficulty" and can't afford to pay the £105 straight away? The £12/day storage fee could cause them serious problems and they may have problems getting to work to make the money to pay the fine as they don't have a car.
if it was me I would simply become a "Pikey" as I could not work without my car, at least that way I would never get in trouble again as its well known that pikeys are "above" the Law!, so come to that are illegal immigrants and Refugees and also any "non indigenous, White straight person"!, in B.Liars "do gooder" Society
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