Advice on car ownership
Discussion
Rotary Potato said:
So on the V5 my friend has, there's a RK who acquired the car in 2014.
The Gov.UK website says the last V5 was issued in 2017.
It could be that the V5 in 2017 was issued because of a change of address, or the removal of a private plate (the HPI check my friend did at the time did advise of several private plates the car was had over its life). Or it could be that there was another change of RK in 2017 and the V5 in my friend's possession is an old one. However, the DVLA website did allow the car to be taxed this week off the code on the V5/c ... for whatever that's worth.
EDIT - unless both me and my friend are missing it, there's no 'publication date' or similar written on the V5 itself? Just the date that the RK acquired the car. A issue date would help confirm if the V5 in his possession is the last issued one or not.
Stop with all the ‘friend’ nonsense, no one is buying it. The Gov.UK website says the last V5 was issued in 2017.
It could be that the V5 in 2017 was issued because of a change of address, or the removal of a private plate (the HPI check my friend did at the time did advise of several private plates the car was had over its life). Or it could be that there was another change of RK in 2017 and the V5 in my friend's possession is an old one. However, the DVLA website did allow the car to be taxed this week off the code on the V5/c ... for whatever that's worth.
EDIT - unless both me and my friend are missing it, there's no 'publication date' or similar written on the V5 itself? Just the date that the RK acquired the car. A issue date would help confirm if the V5 in his possession is the last issued one or not.
Edited by Rotary Potato on Friday 14th October 11:16
If you lie about when you became the registered keeper, then you chose to lie about it, and leave a great big chasm in the history that you’ll stitch up other people who are innocent with.
Oh, and per your OP, you’re becoming the registered keeper at that point in time with DVLA, not the owner. To prove you own it, you need an invoice really.
You should be aware that when you do an online registered keeper change between the hours of 7 and 7, a letter is sent to the last registered keeper. So if you lie about when you became that keeper, and the previous keeper has had a stack of grief for 3 years with fines, dvla tax chase letters etc etc,he or she will suddenly know it’s you who’s tucked them up.
So tell the truth and take the hit if there is one, is my advice.
I think we all know that many people would try to avoid any fallout from the car not being registered properly up to now.
I think we all know that some people would criticise any such lack of total honesty.
I'm not sure what purpose there is in finding out where various of us with internet anonymity of various levels stand on the matter.
It's a bit like many other threads.
Some people encourage others to take shortcuts, some people point out the potential pitfalls should you get caught.
Personally I'm reluctant to advise others to break rules, even for example speeding where I might not always have stayed within the strict interpretation of the law myself. Because if they get caught, I'm not going to be around to pick up the bits.
Neither do I condemn everyone who bends the rules or makes a mistake. Butt some who push it too far for sure....)
So maybe if we try to stick to the possible courses of action and consequences thereof:
1) Total disclosure to DVLA
Outcome back tax due? Fine? NIPs ?
2) Try to bury the past and get on the straight and narrow from now
Outcome maybe past catches up? NIPs
(Two flavours of this, omitting detail and actively deceiving....?)
3) Actively make the issue go away .... Maybe by transferring the car to another keeper, claim V5 lost whatever
Consequences possible serious fine and record?
As an aside, possibly the DVLA and the dealer were not entirely blameless in this, I think someone taxing a car should have kicked off a chain of events?
So maybe option 1 might not be so bad?
For amusement, I recall being in an office some years ago and a colleague having a slightly similar quandary. We got another colleague to ramp up his accent a bit and phone the relevant gov't office for advice. Relatively painless in the end.
Lots of us can guess how DVLA will react. Someone at DVLA knows....
I think we all know that some people would criticise any such lack of total honesty.
I'm not sure what purpose there is in finding out where various of us with internet anonymity of various levels stand on the matter.
It's a bit like many other threads.
Some people encourage others to take shortcuts, some people point out the potential pitfalls should you get caught.
Personally I'm reluctant to advise others to break rules, even for example speeding where I might not always have stayed within the strict interpretation of the law myself. Because if they get caught, I'm not going to be around to pick up the bits.
Neither do I condemn everyone who bends the rules or makes a mistake. Butt some who push it too far for sure....)
So maybe if we try to stick to the possible courses of action and consequences thereof:
1) Total disclosure to DVLA
Outcome back tax due? Fine? NIPs ?
2) Try to bury the past and get on the straight and narrow from now
Outcome maybe past catches up? NIPs
(Two flavours of this, omitting detail and actively deceiving....?)
3) Actively make the issue go away .... Maybe by transferring the car to another keeper, claim V5 lost whatever
Consequences possible serious fine and record?
As an aside, possibly the DVLA and the dealer were not entirely blameless in this, I think someone taxing a car should have kicked off a chain of events?
So maybe option 1 might not be so bad?
For amusement, I recall being in an office some years ago and a colleague having a slightly similar quandary. We got another colleague to ramp up his accent a bit and phone the relevant gov't office for advice. Relatively painless in the end.
Lots of us can guess how DVLA will react. Someone at DVLA knows....
If anyone ever googles this and wants closure, a new V5 was applied for with a transfer date of when the error was realised and the car taxed.
This was issued, no request was ever made for the back tax, and there were no negative consequences.
This was 18ish months ago now, so if there were going to be consequences, one would imagine they'd have been apparent by now. The car has recently been sold (with screenshots taken of the DVLA confirmation screen!) and the DVLA slip to confirm ownership of the car has changed was received a few days afterwards.
This was issued, no request was ever made for the back tax, and there were no negative consequences.
This was 18ish months ago now, so if there were going to be consequences, one would imagine they'd have been apparent by now. The car has recently been sold (with screenshots taken of the DVLA confirmation screen!) and the DVLA slip to confirm ownership of the car has changed was received a few days afterwards.
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