Driving overweight van
Discussion
colinrob said:
Personally I think the rules are madness's, I suppose its a but like braking distances, everything is out of date but the rules are there, if you get caught you took the risk, if you didn't you are lucky, sold my van now so will not drive overweight, I made a stupid mistake being overweight, won't do it again.
Had some of our vans re-plated to 3.75 tn, paper exercise, everything already specced to that on van.snobetter said:
Had some of our vans re-plated to 3.75 tn, paper exercise, everything already specced to that on van.
But then you are in the world of tachographs, drivers hours, operators licences and 56mph hard speed limiters. Overheads have just escalated skywards.Or am I mistaken?
bigothunter said:
snobetter said:
Had some of our vans re-plated to 3.75 tn, paper exercise, everything already specced to that on van.
But then you are in the world of tachographs, drivers hours, operators licences and 56mph hard speed limiters. Overheads have just escalated skywards.Or am I mistaken?
snobetter said:
Not in my line of work, but I was making the point of the van is already capable (usually) of a higher payload. Driver may not be, C1 etc.
Design capability of commercial vehicles usually exceeds their plated weights. That's been the case for many years.Regardless operating above plated weights (ie overloaded) is still breaking the law.
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
TM here l, just to concur with Cat - it applies to any vehicle and your TM is wrong. You are going to need an O licence and the rest of it.
Whether or not an O licence is required would depend on the unladen weight of the trailer. If it is less than 1020kg then no O licence needed. Cat
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
Cat said:
blank said:
I'm sure you're right, but can you point me to the legislation on that because that's not the conclusion our transport manager came to?
Your TM has come to the wrong conclusion...Transport Act 1968 and Regulation (EC) No 561/2006 of the European Parliament and of the Council.
Cat
Edited by blank on Tuesday 20th February 13:37
sim16v said:
Another thing to note when towing with vans such as Sprinters and Vitos.
Many are only plated to tow 1.8-2.2t.
To have the full 3.5t towing capacity, they needed to have the factory fit tow kit fitted.
After market is lower.
There isn't a plated tow weight that I'm aware of, there is merely a recommendation - which is mostly to do with starting on a hillMany are only plated to tow 1.8-2.2t.
To have the full 3.5t towing capacity, they needed to have the factory fit tow kit fitted.
After market is lower.
You have the gross train weight so you can either carry it or tow it
I confirmed this with a vosa as I regularly tow almost 3T with my (empty) Vito
I believe if you have an accident when you are over the recommended weight, it would be up to you to prove it was safe, which is obviously going to be hard to do
From the plate you can either carry one ton and tow two tons or you can carry nothing and tow three tons (van weighs approx 1900kg)
Edited by KTMsm on Saturday 24th February 21:39
Eh - isn’t the issue people using vans for things they are not to be used for, rather than regulations?
Van/ pickup = vehicle for a tradie and their tools/ materials, or for light/ volume delivery. So about a tonne payload is all that is needed. Compromise is that you don’t need all the licensing for a truck, as they are considered to be on par with cars for safety/ handling purposes.
Need more than that, get a 7.5 tonne truck, not a van.
Van/ pickup = vehicle for a tradie and their tools/ materials, or for light/ volume delivery. So about a tonne payload is all that is needed. Compromise is that you don’t need all the licensing for a truck, as they are considered to be on par with cars for safety/ handling purposes.
Need more than that, get a 7.5 tonne truck, not a van.
wisbech said:
Eh - isn’t the issue people using vans for things they are not to be used for, rather than regulations?
Van/ pickup = vehicle for a tradie and their tools/ materials, or for light/ volume delivery. So about a tonne payload is all that is needed. Compromise is that you don’t need all the licensing for a truck, as they are considered to be on par with cars for safety/ handling purposes.
Need more than that, get a 7.5 tonne truck, not a van.
Not really - it's that the laws / weights haven't been updated - a bit like the speed limitsVan/ pickup = vehicle for a tradie and their tools/ materials, or for light/ volume delivery. So about a tonne payload is all that is needed. Compromise is that you don’t need all the licensing for a truck, as they are considered to be on par with cars for safety/ handling purposes.
Need more than that, get a 7.5 tonne truck, not a van.
70mph in a 1960's car is not the same as 70 in a modern car and modern vans have got so heavy that they can barely carry anything anymore
I do some building work - a pallet of tiles / bricks / bulk bag along with some bits and bobs / tools will typically mean I'm overloaded
There's no way a 7.5T would be a better fit for me or thousands like me
KTMsm said:
Not really - it's that the laws / weights haven't been updated - a bit like the speed limits
70mph in a 1960's car is not the same as 70 in a modern car and modern vans have got so heavy that they can barely carry anything anymore
I do some building work - a pallet of tiles / bricks / bulk bag along with some bits and bobs / tools will typically mean I'm overloaded
There's no way a 7.5T would be a better fit for me or thousands like me
Only in the comparatively unregulated 3500kg sector.70mph in a 1960's car is not the same as 70 in a modern car and modern vans have got so heavy that they can barely carry anything anymore
I do some building work - a pallet of tiles / bricks / bulk bag along with some bits and bobs / tools will typically mean I'm overloaded
There's no way a 7.5T would be a better fit for me or thousands like me
5000kg vans are available. But like 7500kg trucks, there are penalties.
bigothunter said:
Only in the comparatively unregulated 3500kg sector.
5000kg vans are available. But like 7500kg trucks, there are penalties.
We don't need 5000kg and we certainly don't need more regulation !5000kg vans are available. But like 7500kg trucks, there are penalties.
In a world of heavy SUVs and EVs vans have been left behind with outdated regulations
KTMsm said:
bigothunter said:
Only in the comparatively unregulated 3500kg sector.
5000kg vans are available. But like 7500kg trucks, there are penalties.
We don't need 5000kg and we certainly don't need more regulation !5000kg vans are available. But like 7500kg trucks, there are penalties.
In a world of heavy SUVs and EVs vans have been left behind with outdated regulations
Authorities want to increase their control of the commercial sector not compromise it.
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