Driving overweight van
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At work ,our new transit tippers weigh 2800 with just a few tools in the back and a light passenger.
That means we can only legally carry 700kg in the back before we hit the 3500kg limit.
The trouble is, the modern vans are much heavier than from say 20-30 years ago but, the 3500kg limit has stayed the same.
That means we can only legally carry 700kg in the back before we hit the 3500kg limit.
The trouble is, the modern vans are much heavier than from say 20-30 years ago but, the 3500kg limit has stayed the same.
oceanview said:
At work ,our new transit tippers weigh 2800 with just a few tools in the back and a light passenger.
That means we can only legally carry 700kg in the back before we hit the 3500kg limit.
The trouble is, the modern vans are much heavier than from say 20-30 years ago but, the 3500kg limit has stayed the same.
Some cars share virtually the same GVM.That means we can only legally carry 700kg in the back before we hit the 3500kg limit.
The trouble is, the modern vans are much heavier than from say 20-30 years ago but, the 3500kg limit has stayed the same.
Range Rover P460e AWD AUTOMATIC PHEV has a GVM of 3480kg (unladen 2770kg).
Sensible to increase van ICEV GVM to 4250kg with EV vans at 5000kg. But can't imagine the EU permitting those improvements.
oceanview said:
At work ,our new transit tippers weigh 2800 with just a few tools in the back and a light passenger.
That means we can only legally carry 700kg in the back before we hit the 3500kg limit.
The trouble is, the modern vans are much heavier than from say 20-30 years ago but, the 3500kg limit has stayed the same.
The 3.5T limit is probably based on it having Ford Anglia brakes.That means we can only legally carry 700kg in the back before we hit the 3500kg limit.
The trouble is, the modern vans are much heavier than from say 20-30 years ago but, the 3500kg limit has stayed the same.
tommytaylor said:
oceanview said:
At work ,our new transit tippers weigh 2800 with just a few tools in the back and a light passenger.
That means we can only legally carry 700kg in the back before we hit the 3500kg limit.
The trouble is, the modern vans are much heavier than from say 20-30 years ago but, the 3500kg limit has stayed the same.
The 3.5T limit is probably based on it having Ford Anglia brakes.That means we can only legally carry 700kg in the back before we hit the 3500kg limit.
The trouble is, the modern vans are much heavier than from say 20-30 years ago but, the 3500kg limit has stayed the same.
colinrob said:
Just an update and thanks for everyone not judging me, we have sold our van and have all our products delivered direct so will not have the issue of being overweight again, court was more than fair £452 fine including costs and victim surcharge no points
Lucky with no points. A lot of our customers use this:https://www.vwsltd.co.uk/vops2
MDMA . said:
colinrob said:
Just an update and thanks for everyone not judging me, we have sold our van and have all our products delivered direct so will not have the issue of being overweight again, court was more than fair £452 fine including costs and victim surcharge no points
Lucky with no points. A lot of our customers use this:https://www.vwsltd.co.uk/vops2
Not a bad result in my mind. Thankfully from your point of view the courts don't fully understand that side of traffic stuff.
LosingGrip said:
Weirdly it doesn't carry any points which I find a little bit weird if it's massively overweight.
Thankfully from your point of view the courts don't fully understand that side of traffic stuff.
Thank goodness (for the OP), the courts didn't appoint you as their expert witness!Thankfully from your point of view the courts don't fully understand that side of traffic stuff.
LosingGrip said:
Weirdly it doesn't carry any points which I find a little bit weird if it's massively overweight.
Not a bad result in my mind. Thankfully from your point of view the courts don't fully understand that side of traffic stuff.
Thing is van drove perfect and did not feel overweight or dangerous, anyway my mistake hands up guilty as charged will never do it again Not a bad result in my mind. Thankfully from your point of view the courts don't fully understand that side of traffic stuff.
Obviously could have had points or ban but I think they may have taken my clean license into consideration
Edited by colinrob on Saturday 17th February 23:57
Edited by colinrob on Sunday 18th February 00:01
No points, money into system to cover cost of prosecution and a lesson learned. All things considered a 'fair' result.
About 20 years ago a friend was an agricultural engineer in rural Cumbria. Driving from Lorton towards Keswick on the Whinlatter,
Pass carrying a tractor engine (yes) he got 'pulled' - his van, an old underpowered Renault Traffic was barely moving up the steep pass.
The police took him to a weighbridge and he was (way) over weight. He was still overweight when they removed the tractor engine! An agricultural engineers kit is all really heavy duty and his tools alone made the van exceed it's GVW.
Fortunately, being rural Cumbria the police only prosecuted him for the van and his 'kit'. Fine only. He would have been in big trouble, licence needed for job, had he been prosecuted for the tractor engine excess as well.
Lesson learned, bought a new van.
About 20 years ago a friend was an agricultural engineer in rural Cumbria. Driving from Lorton towards Keswick on the Whinlatter,
Pass carrying a tractor engine (yes) he got 'pulled' - his van, an old underpowered Renault Traffic was barely moving up the steep pass.
The police took him to a weighbridge and he was (way) over weight. He was still overweight when they removed the tractor engine! An agricultural engineers kit is all really heavy duty and his tools alone made the van exceed it's GVW.
Fortunately, being rural Cumbria the police only prosecuted him for the van and his 'kit'. Fine only. He would have been in big trouble, licence needed for job, had he been prosecuted for the tractor engine excess as well.
Lesson learned, bought a new van.
Sebring440 said:
Thank goodness (for the OP), the courts didn't appoint you as their expert witness!
Struggling to see what's so funny with what I've put? colinrob said:
Thing is van drove perfect and did not feel overweight or dangerous, anyway my mistake hands up guilty as charged will never do it again
Obviously could have had points or ban but I think they may have taken my clean license into consideration
Unless it was more than just being overweight that you got dealt with (dangerous condition for example) being overweight isn't an offence that carries points. So your clean licence won't have made a difference. Obviously could have had points or ban but I think they may have taken my clean license into consideration
Edited by colinrob on Saturday 17th February 23:57
Edited by colinrob on Sunday 18th February 00:01
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guide-t...
Edited by LosingGrip on Sunday 18th February 09:20
oceanview said:
At work ,our new transit tippers weigh 2800 with just a few tools in the back and a light passenger.
That means we can only legally carry 700kg in the back before we hit the 3500kg limit.
The trouble is, the modern vans are much heavier than from say 20-30 years ago but, the 3500kg limit has stayed the same.
We're the same.That means we can only legally carry 700kg in the back before we hit the 3500kg limit.
The trouble is, the modern vans are much heavier than from say 20-30 years ago but, the 3500kg limit has stayed the same.
MAN with Luton box. On the weighbridge with full tank of fuel and driver is 2,800 kgs. I suspect a lot of people will inadvertently be over limit quite often.
oceanview said:
At work ,our new transit tippers weigh 2800 with just a few tools in the back and a light passenger.
That means we can only legally carry 700kg in the back before we hit the 3500kg limit.
The trouble is, the modern vans are much heavier than from say 20-30 years ago but, the 3500kg limit has stayed the same.
The 3½ ton wasnt an issue back then, but vans being specified by soft handed ignoranious bean counters was. Our base mk3 transits couldnt legally take a ton IIRC.That means we can only legally carry 700kg in the back before we hit the 3500kg limit.
The trouble is, the modern vans are much heavier than from say 20-30 years ago but, the 3500kg limit has stayed the same.
Take for example the current transit custom, payload is 700-1400kg The first is probably fine if youre delivering flowers to a wedding, the cake might be pushing it a bit though.
Teddy Lop said:
oceanview said:
At work ,our new transit tippers weigh 2800 with just a few tools in the back and a light passenger.
That means we can only legally carry 700kg in the back before we hit the 3500kg limit.
The trouble is, the modern vans are much heavier than from say 20-30 years ago but, the 3500kg limit has stayed the same.
The 3½ ton wasnt an issue back then, but vans being specified by soft handed ignoranious bean counters was. Our base mk3 transits couldnt legally take a ton IIRC.That means we can only legally carry 700kg in the back before we hit the 3500kg limit.
The trouble is, the modern vans are much heavier than from say 20-30 years ago but, the 3500kg limit has stayed the same.
Take for example the current transit custom, payload is 700-1400kg The first is probably fine if youre delivering flowers to a wedding, the cake might be pushing it a bit though.
It's a farce, most vans are regularly significantly over weight ie builders, scaffolders, landscaping and recovery
Everyone knows it, because the vans are better and safer, they're heavier
The laws haven't kept up and now fines are just another business cost, thankfully vans aren't pulled that often
Everyone knows it, because the vans are better and safer, they're heavier
The laws haven't kept up and now fines are just another business cost, thankfully vans aren't pulled that often
KTMsm said:
It's a farce, most vans are regularly significantly over weight ie builders, scaffolders, landscaping and recovery
Everyone knows it, because the vans are better and safer, they're heavier
The laws haven't kept up and now fines are just another business cost, thankfully vans aren't pulled that often
Everyone knows it, because the vans are better and safer, they're heavier
The laws haven't kept up and now fines are just another business cost, thankfully vans aren't pulled that often
bigothunter said:
Some cars share virtually the same GVM.
Range Rover P460e AWD AUTOMATIC PHEV has a GVM of 3480kg (unladen 2770kg).
Sensible to increase van ICEV GVM to 4250kg with EV vans at 5000kg. But can't imagine the EU permitting those improvements.
EU have suggested tachographs with drivers' hours restrictions for vans under 3500kg GVM. Already imposed for vans over 3500kg alongside 56mph hard speed limiter. I can't believe EU will ever relax light van latitude beyond 3500kg (unless EV).Range Rover P460e AWD AUTOMATIC PHEV has a GVM of 3480kg (unladen 2770kg).
Sensible to increase van ICEV GVM to 4250kg with EV vans at 5000kg. But can't imagine the EU permitting those improvements.
bigothunter said:
EU have suggested tachographs with drivers' hours restrictions for vans under 3500kg GVM. Already imposed for vans over 3500kg alongside 56mph hard speed limiter. I can't believe EU will ever relax light van latitude beyond 3500kg (unless EV).
I'm not looking for the EU to change their rules, just the UK governmentbigothunter said:
The simple 1978 Transit Mk2 LWB had a 190 variant. That meant 1900kg payload in a 3500kg GVM. Modern vans have lost their way
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