Elderly person had money taken

[Terzo123]

Its a police matter all day long.

[tighnamara]

blueST said:

Because on phoning the bank and Age UK she was told it was her fault, nothing to be done. My Wife’s going to ring the cops and see what they say

That is pretty worrying if both the bank and age U.K. have actually said it is “her fault”

[Foss62]

Jamescrs said:

It is a Police matter, it ahould be taken on my the Adult Safeguarding team and possibly a local PCSO would also get involved simply in terms of keeping an eye on her, who knows the neighbour may have done this to others too?

Granted it won't get her the cash back but it needs reporting as he may be doing it to others too

Why would it not get her cash back? This seems to be the sort of default position these days. Why not: call the Police with the evidence, Police go round and make an arrest, neighbour goes off to jail for a couple of years and neighbour’s possessions are sold to pay the cash back?
Seems a fairly reasonable sequence of events if the circumstances are as we have been told.

[blueST]

tighnamara said:

blueST said:

Because on phoning the bank and Age UK she was told it was her fault, nothing to be done. My Wife’s going to ring the cops and see what they say

That is pretty worrying if both the bank and age U.K. have actually said it is “her fault”

I don't know the actual words used, but that was her take away from it.

[105.4]

autumnsum said:

Why don't people phone the police in these situations?!

Because the Police wouldn’t be in the slightest bit interested.

[jules_s]

I had similar when our house got burgled back in the 90's

Police: 'Have you lent your keys to anybody recently?'

My response was that even if I had that wasn't an invitation to steal my belongings

[BertBert]

105.4 said:

Because the Police wouldn’t be in the slightest bit interested.

Really? Old person has £1000 stolen from them and the police aren't interested?

[Jamescrs]

Foss62 said:

Why would it not get her cash back? This seems to be the sort of default position these days. Why not: call the Police with the evidence, Police go round and make an arrest, neighbour goes off to jail for a couple of years and neighbour’s possessions are sold to pay the cash back?
Seems a fairly reasonable sequence of events if the circumstances are as we have been told.

That may make sense to you but unfortunately the courts don't work that way.

If its a first offence the chances of a custodial sentence are slim at best.

The court can order compensation is paid but it would likely be at a small amount a week for a very long time if at all, that's the reality of it.

[Rh14n]

Please report this to the Police. Having retired in 2016, please God don't tell me the job's gone so far down the pan that they don't take this on.

[anonymous-user]

tighnamara said:

blueST said:

Because on phoning the bank and Age UK she was told it was her fault, nothing to be done. My Wife’s going to ring the cops and see what they say

That is pretty worrying if both the bank and age U.K. have actually said it is “her fault”

The bank is really saying “it’s not our fault because you gave him your PIN (so don’t expect us to reimburse you)”.

Age Concern are probably saying “if you give someone your PIN more fool you” whilst overlooking that the instruction included anything to the effect of “and do feel free to help yourself to as much of my money as you fancy”.

It’s still theft (criminal) and fraud (civil).

[Shinyfings]

Sadly the Police won’t be interested. My sister took money from my father when he was in a coma (dead now). She had no Power of Attorney and wasn’t named on the bank account. In total she took 1000’s (not all while he was in a coma). They weren’t interested. Appreciate it was family but she had no legal right to do what she did.

Edited by Shinyfings on Saturday 9th September 22:53

[-Cappo-]

BertBert said:

105.4 said:

Because the Police wouldn’t be in the slightest bit interested.

Really? Old person has £1000 stolen from them and the police aren't interested?

I used to be a staunch supporter of the police, and I'll preface this by saying that I know it's not the guys on the beat, but my absolute expectation today would be that the police would come up with some reason or other to not deal with this. It's just the way they are now, or at the very least the image they project. Stick to low hanging fruit or an obvious nick which needs no significant amount of investigation.

[105.4]

BertBert said:

105.4 said:

Because the Police wouldn’t be in the slightest bit interested.

Really? Old person has £1000 stolen from them and the police aren't interested?

I’d be utterly flabbergasted if they were.

Is this the same Police that for decades did absolutely nothing about thousands of very young girls getting gang raped and forced into prostitution?

Is this the same Police that went in to full blown arse covering mode over Hillsborough, and instead persecuted the families of the deceased?

Is this the same Police who openly admit to not investigating burglaries, car crime, or people having their expensive bikes stolen?

Is this the same Police who mob-handedly arrest a young, mentally challenged schoolgirl for a comment she made over someone’s haircut?

And somehow you think that they’re going to spend even one second with what should be an open and shut case of theft against a vulnerable person?

I’m sorry for the OP’s elderly relative, but I’d be gobsmacked if the Police spent even one second of their time investigating this obvious act of theft.

The best the OP can hope for is to get a crime reference number, and that will be about it.

[Bigends]

Theft of £1000 for Police to record plus fraudulent use of the card
Get in touch with them and get the matter investigated.
The neighbour was given consent to use the card to get shopping and no more not treat the card as her own in order to access the cash, however Police may try and bat this off as a civil matter between the cardholder and neighbour..

Edited by Bigends on Sunday 10th September 00:34

[richhead]

105.4 said:

BertBert said:

105.4 said:

Because the Police wouldn’t be in the slightest bit interested.

Really? Old person has £1000 stolen from them and the police aren't interested?

I’d be utterly flabbergasted if they were.

Is this the same Police that for decades did absolutely nothing about thousands of very young girls getting gang raped and forced into prostitution?

Is this the same Police that went in to full blown arse covering mode over Hillsborough, and instead persecuted the families of the deceased?

Is this the same Police who openly admit to not investigating burglaries, car crime, or people having their expensive bikes stolen?

Is this the same Police who mob-handedly arrest a young, mentally challenged schoolgirl for a comment she made over someone’s haircut?

And somehow you think that they’re going to spend even one second with what should be an open and shut case of theft against a vulnerable person?

I’m sorry for the OP’s elderly relative, but I’d be gobsmacked if the Police spent even one second of their time investigating this obvious act of theft.

The best the OP can hope for is to get a crime reference number, and that will be about it.

unfortunatly this is how most people view the police now
that and spending more time catching speeders than burglers.
that is the perception

[Rh14n]

-Cappo- said:

BertBert said:

105.4 said:

Because the Police wouldn’t be in the slightest bit interested.

Really? Old person has £1000 stolen from them and the police aren't interested?

I used to be a staunch supporter of the police, and I'll preface this by saying that I know it's not the guys on the beat, but my absolute expectation today would be that the police would come up with some reason or other to not deal with this. It's just the way they are now, or at the very least the image they project. Stick to low hanging fruit or an obvious nick which needs no significant amount of investigation.

But this is "Low hanging fruit". All it takes is a statement from the lady making sure she states that she gave him permission to pay for her shopping but did not give permission for him to use her card for any other person. Provide proof of the bank transactions, arrest and interview the suspect and in all likelihood secure a charge. Job done!

ETA please let us know how you get on OP.

Edited by Rh14n on Sunday 10th September 01:03

[Jinba Ittai]

carreauchompeur said:

Leave it. Let the dust settle.
Then break his legs.

This. Although perhaps not break his legs! Revenge is a dish best served cold and all that.
I’m three years into a seven year wait to take my revenge on someone (due to statute of limitations), and have carefully planned exactly what I’m going to do and how when the clock ticks down.

I’m enjoying the wait.

[bitchstewie]

Is it a "very special set of skills" thing?

Honestly people like to go all Harry Brown don't they

I really can't see how the Police wouldn't treat it as theft.

If you hand someone £100 and say "this is for you to go and buy my shopping with" and they just run off with it and keep it that's theft isn't it?

How can that be any different just because they did it using a debit card?

[Jinba Ittai]

bhstewie said:

Is it a "very special set of skills" thing?

Honestly people like to go all Harry Brown don't they

honestly, if you knew me you’d realise how hilarious that notion would be! I’d struggle to fight my way out of a paper bag.

I’ll just say the actions of this particular person almost left me a widower.

[Piginapoke]

Jinba Ittai said:

carreauchompeur said:

Leave it. Let the dust settle.
Then break his legs.

This. Although perhaps not break his legs! Revenge is a dish best served cold and all that.
I’m three years into a seven year wait to take my revenge on someone (due to statute of limitations), and have carefully planned exactly what I’m going to do and how when the clock ticks down.

I’m enjoying the wait.

You badass.