Speed cameras: Are we interested in evidence?

[Boosted LS1]

^ They won't. I've a friend in the force whose son got bottled one night. The force, his force were utterly hopeless.

[Dave Finney]

Zetec-S said:

Where does this data come from?

Excellent question.
It's the official database of collisions sent to me by "Thames Valley Safer Roads Partnership" (the speed camera operators).

There's more info under "Supplementary information" at the end of this page:
https://speedcamerareport.co.uk/08_mobile_refs/

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GqOm-keyss

[vonhosen]

pocketspring said:

Boosted LS1 said:

vonhosen said:

ferret50 said:

NFT said:

ferret50 said:

vonhosen said:

ferret50 said:

It seems very odd that plod can find the time, staff and resources to man camara vans and service fixed camaras when they cannot find the same to answer a telephone.....

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Different budget/department.

Of course it is, the motorist stumps up the cash whilst the villians laugh!

Indeed, I have noticed how having cars taken, damaged and stolen from is almost abandoned, officer investigating theft just wanting to close case asap, but mild speeding NIP's are inevitably sent and unquestionably pursued like a murder took place. Funny old world.

If only plod would apply the same levels of service to 'proper' police work!

Poor old hard done motorist.

How many points/fines have you had over how many years?

I've had none in 40 years & that's without sticking rabidly to speed limits & driving in areas of higher concentration than most.

Can't say I feel victimised.

Just wait until your home gets burgled. The police response will be lame.

He's a police officer so his mates will be around there before you can say doughnuts.

No I'm not.
Never been burgled either.

If the response to any potential burglary is lame though, it won't be the fault of the few in Roads Policing, anymore than it would be those officers in any other specialist department (such as sexual offences or domestic abuse).

It's the fault of the government & their policies.

[Muzzer79]

Mandat said:

Muzzer79 said:

Sadly, the insurmountable argument against all that is to just obey the speed limit.

Then there's no harsh slowing down, distress or anger.

I don't subscribe to the 'speed kills' all the time mantra. But having surrendered to just sticking to the speed limit now. It's not worth the grief of dodging the many, many cameras on our roads.

That wouldn't be a problem if speed limits remained at or near the natural safe speed for a particular road.

What on earth is a “neutral safe speed”?

[Greendubber]

Boosted LS1 said:

vonhosen said:

ferret50 said:

NFT said:

ferret50 said:

vonhosen said:

ferret50 said:

It seems very odd that plod can find the time, staff and resources to man camara vans and service fixed camaras when they cannot find the same to answer a telephone.....

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Different budget/department.

Of course it is, the motorist stumps up the cash whilst the villians laugh!

Indeed, I have noticed how having cars taken, damaged and stolen from is almost abandoned, officer investigating theft just wanting to close case asap, but mild speeding NIP's are inevitably sent and unquestionably pursued like a murder took place. Funny old world.

If only plod would apply the same levels of service to 'proper' police work!

Poor old hard done motorist.

How many points/fines have you had over how many years?

I've had none in 40 years & that's without sticking rabidly to speed limits & driving in areas of higher concentration than most.

Can't say I feel victimised.

Just wait until your home gets burgled. The police response will be lame.

Well that wasn't the case when a neighbour of ours reported someone trying to break into their house the other week.

4 police cars, police dog unit and a drone all here within about 5 minutes.

[vonhosen]

Boosted LS1 said:

Sporky said:

Mandat said:

That wouldn't be a problem if speed limits remained at or near the natural safe speed for a particular road.

Can you define "natural safe speed"?

Does it vary with different times of day, weather, different drivers or different cars?

The 85th percentile seemed to work or at least I thought it did. Won't have raised as much cash though.

The 85th percentile is a fallacy.

How can you have a true 85th percentile when you've already got a limit in place influencing speed choice?

[Dave Finney]

Stick Legs said:

Thank you for going to the effort.

You're welcome.
As an engineer, I've always thought that we should seek the best quality evidence.
And if the authorities refuse to provide it, we need to do the work ourselves ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GqOm-keyss

[Mandat]

Sporky said:

Can you define "natural safe speed"?

Does it vary with different times of day, weather, different drivers or different cars?

This is PH so I'm surprised that you have to ask.

The 85th percentile principle has been a long established method for setting speed limits, although this now seems to have been largely made redundant.

[Terminator X]

Mandat said:

Muzzer79 said:

Sadly, the insurmountable argument against all that is to just obey the speed limit.

Then there's no harsh slowing down, distress or anger.

I don't subscribe to the 'speed kills' all the time mantra. But having surrendered to just sticking to the speed limit now. It's not worth the grief of dodging the many, many cameras on our roads.

That wouldn't be a problem if speed limits remained at or near the natural safe speed for a particular road.

60 road near me reduced to a 50 and now apparently it must be a 30. There was a consultation of course with all neg comments roundly ignored. Their reasoning was one fatal accident and a handful of serious accidents + speed kills as we all know.

TX.

[speedking31]

Muzzer79 said:

Mandat said:

Muzzer79 said:

Sadly, the insurmountable argument against all that is to just obey the speed limit.

Then there's no harsh slowing down, distress or anger.

I don't subscribe to the 'speed kills' all the time mantra. But having surrendered to just sticking to the speed limit now. It's not worth the grief of dodging the many, many cameras on our roads.

That wouldn't be a problem if speed limits remained at or near the natural safe speed for a particular road.

What on earth is a “neutral safe speed”?

It's the result of misreading what has been posted.

[blueg33]

Mandat said:

Sporky said:

Can you define "natural safe speed"?

Does it vary with different times of day, weather, different drivers or different cars?

This is PH so I'm surprised that you have to ask.

The 85th percentile principle has been a long established method for setting speed limits, although this now seems to have been largely made redundant.

I have seen highways departments argue that the natural speed of a road ie the 85th percentile is higher than the speed limit therefore the entrance to my development needs bigger visibility splays even where the have speed cameras. Basically they argue both sides, often saying a 30mph road is safe at 40mph, therefore people drive at 40.

[YorkshireStu]

Always the same entitled PH Driving Gods who are either very impatient - and ergo dangerous - or want to treat the public roads as their own personal race tracks - ergo dangerous - that complain about getting speeding fines.

Good. Hope they get many more and fill those Police coffers.

Want to drive fast? Go to a track where the real drivers go.

Otherwise, drive with patience and share the roads with others and obey the Highway Code. It’s really very easy to do and guess what? No speeding fines!

[Griffith4ever]

YorkshireStu said:

Always the same entitled PH Driving Gods who are either very impatient - and ergo dangerous - or want to treat the public roads as their own personal race tracks - ergo dangerous - that complain about getting speeding fines.

Good. Hope they get many more and fill those Police coffers.

Want to drive fast? Go to a track where the real drivers go.

Otherwise, drive with patience and share the roads with others and obey the Highway Code. It’s really very easy to do and guess what? No speeding fines!

why are you here? Seriously.

[768]

Zetec-S said:

Not a big fan of them, but if you did remove all speed camera's I'm pretty sure we'd see a big increase in speeds being driven. They play a part in reigning in most responsible drivers who know in the back of their mind that they probably shouldn't go silly speeds in case a camera catches them.

That's your opinion though.

I guess the answer to the thread title is no.

[Griffith4ever]

768 said:

Zetec-S said:

I guess the answer to the thread title is no.

Unsurprisingly :-)

[Sporky]

Mandat said:

Sporky said:

Can you define "natural safe speed"?

Does it vary with different times of day, weather, different drivers or different cars?

This is PH so I'm surprised that you have to ask.

The 85th percentile principle has been a long established method for setting speed limits, although this now seems to have been largely made redundant.

If you meant 85th percentile, perhaps you should have used that term.

[blueg33]

Griffith4ever said:

YorkshireStu said:

Always the same entitled PH Driving Gods who are either very impatient - and ergo dangerous - or want to treat the public roads as their own personal race tracks - ergo dangerous - that complain about getting speeding fines.

Good. Hope they get many more and fill those Police coffers.

Want to drive fast? Go to a track where the real drivers go.

Otherwise, drive with patience and share the roads with others and obey the Highway Code. It’s really very easy to do and guess what? No speeding fines!

why are you here? Seriously.

I assume he/she/insert gender of choice is not here seriously, only to troll, probably has BRAKE tattooed on his/her/insert gender of choice arse.

[Greendubber]

blueg33 said:

Griffith4ever said:

YorkshireStu said:

Always the same entitled PH Driving Gods who are either very impatient - and ergo dangerous - or want to treat the public roads as their own personal race tracks - ergo dangerous - that complain about getting speeding fines.

Good. Hope they get many more and fill those Police coffers.

Want to drive fast? Go to a track where the real drivers go.

Otherwise, drive with patience and share the roads with others and obey the Highway Code. It’s really very easy to do and guess what? No speeding fines!

why are you here? Seriously.

I assume he/she/insert gender of choice is not here seriously, only to troll, probably has BRAKE tattooed on his/her/insert gender of choice arse.

Or, in reality it's someone who's just not that bothered but it all and isn't as vocal.

Nice attack on a differing opinion though.

[blueg33]

Greendubber said:

blueg33 said:

Griffith4ever said:

YorkshireStu said:

Always the same entitled PH Driving Gods who are either very impatient - and ergo dangerous - or want to treat the public roads as their own personal race tracks - ergo dangerous - that complain about getting speeding fines.

Good. Hope they get many more and fill those Police coffers.

Want to drive fast? Go to a track where the real drivers go.

Otherwise, drive with patience and share the roads with others and obey the Highway Code. It’s really very easy to do and guess what? No speeding fines!

why are you here? Seriously.

I assume he/she/insert gender of choice is not here seriously, only to troll, probably has BRAKE tattooed on his/her/insert gender of choice arse.

Or, in reality it's someone who's just not that bothered but it all and isn't as vocal.

Nice attack on a differing opinion though.

It’s not differing opinion. They state that speeding is dangerous per se, and that is erroneous.

[Heaveho]

blueg33 said:

It’s not differing opinion. They state that speeding is dangerous per se, and that is erroneous.

Proving that Govt. drivel is indeed effective at brainwashing the hard of thinking.

Who would have thought that a slogan as blatantly transparently ignorant as " speed kills " would become so ingrained in the psyche of the foolish, that even motoring forum members would be influenced by it.