Blue lights up your harris on average speed cam road

Blue lights up your harris on average speed cam road

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Patio

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535 posts

12 months

Saturday 17th February
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Recent experience on m1 near Sheffield on the (what seems like miles) 50 bit going north

In outside lane when they appear in rear view, can't brake as they're almost close enough for me to smell their breath

Can't speed up as already doing 51

Cars packed as tightly as sardines in middle lane

Cranked it up an extra mile an hour to snail ahead of a couple of cars in middle lane to slot in which felt like an eternity with the blue lights burning my retina's, was probably a minute

Could you appeal if done for speeding in this scenario?

Fortunately the car in front of me in outside lane didn't have to deal with this problem as they flicked off the lights and pulled into the services just after they rocket shipped past me!

sanguinary

1,346 posts

212 months

Saturday 17th February
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Surely if you put your indicator on, the cars to the left will create a space?

NFT

1,324 posts

23 months

Saturday 17th February
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If it was a 50, the threshold is at 57 when they feel they can now shove a nail in you.

If above,

I would hope they would understand if averaged above for that reason, but they are a different breed, quite delusional at times, harass people under guise of doing pure good, strictly apply their harassment protocol and decisions to inflict their will for the smallest infraction they can, act like they are not making a large group of drivers unsafe in "the motions" they inflict on a driver who was entirely safe beforehand, because the law allows them to do it, and they would be better off sat in the cold, trying to understand why the office is charcoal if persisted in this situation.

Which I would expect them to do, just my opinion though.

Hopefully you never averaged 57 or above in the 50.

LosingGrip

7,822 posts

160 months

Saturday 17th February
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You could appeal it...don't think it would work mind you.

Pica-Pica

13,831 posts

85 months

Saturday 17th February
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sanguinary said:
Surely if you put your indicator on, the cars to the left will create a space?
This is about the best you can do. Certainly don’t speed up. It seems the police had inadequate forward observation and planning to get trapped in like that, combined with the fact that most cars don’t see police on blues coming up from behind early enough. If you make frequent mirror checks you can see them early enough.

You should not:
Break speed limits
Go up onto kerbs
Go through red lights
To allow emergency service past you.
It is there job to plan ahead for a space, they are/should be trained for that

SlimJim16v

5,683 posts

144 months

Saturday 17th February
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Speed up, then slow down to reduce your average.

Pica-Pica

13,831 posts

85 months

Saturday 17th February
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It’s ‘Aris’
The convoluted rhyming slang goes back to its origins thus:
Aris = Aristotle = bottle = bottle and glass = arse

Sheepshanks

32,807 posts

120 months

Saturday 17th February
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I would just do what you did - it’s most unlikely they’re going to a life or death situation.

Years ago on the M4 in a contra-flow a police car just barged past everything in the most forceful drinking I’ve ever seen, so they can make progress if they want to. Bit further up Princess Diana had been involved in a minor bump.

Pica-Pica

13,831 posts

85 months

Saturday 17th February
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LosingGrip said:
You could appeal it...don't think it would work mind you.
It won’t work. As I was told by a police officer who, when off duty, got done in a similar way, and his appeal was rejected.

Patio

Original Poster:

535 posts

12 months

Saturday 17th February
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Pica-Pica said:
sanguinary said:
Surely if you put your indicator on, the cars to the left will create a space?
This is about the best you can do. Certainly don’t speed up. It seems the police had inadequate forward observation and planning to get trapped in like that, combined with the fact that most cars don’t see police on blues coming up from behind early enough. If you make frequent mirror checks you can see them early enough.

You should not:
Break speed limits
Go up onto kerbs
Go through red lights
To allow emergency service past you.
It is there job to plan ahead for a space, they are/should be trained for that
My thoughts exactly

They are, in theory, trained to read the road better than us and are allowed to travel at greater speeds than us so should be the best drivers on the roads

Getting up the arse of average Joe motorist on a speed restricted section of Rd with no where to go tells me they are no better than some yoof in an XR3I(showing my age)

Sheepshanks

32,807 posts

120 months

Saturday 17th February
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Pica-Pica said:
LosingGrip said:
You could appeal it...don't think it would work mind you.
It won’t work. As I was told by a police officer who, when off duty, got done in a similar way, and his appeal was rejected.
I’d have hoped you could successfully claim you were obeying an instruction from a police officer - same as being told to go through a red light.

Timperley

9 posts

51 months

Sunday 18th February
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Average speed cameras are quite forgiving if you feel the need to briefly blip your speed up to facilitate an overtake - it only needs 2 or 3 MPH and you can return back to the limit soon after if you so desire. There is also the fact that most speedos will overread by a couple of MPH (always worth checking this against GPS or a measured mile). Add the fact that enforcement generally starts at 10% of the limit + 2mph there is little need to crawl past traffic in the lane to your left at a snail's pace. It also increases the danger posed by being in other drivers' blind spots for longer, though I'm conscious of this and avoid it if at all possible by hanging back for a short time and then increasing speed a tad to pass.

If your car has an average speed readout it can be beneficial resetting this as you pass a SPECS camera and see what it reads when you reach the next one, taking speedo overread into account.

I find the SPECS-enforced 50 limit on the A537 Cat and Fiddle quite ironic as one would need to break the laws of physics to exceed an average of 50mph (let alone 57) on the bendy bits.


carlo996

5,757 posts

22 months

Sunday 18th February
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Patio said:
Recent experience on m1 near Sheffield on the (what seems like miles) 50 bit going north

In outside lane when they appear in rear view, can't brake as they're almost close enough for me to smell their breath

Can't speed up as already doing 51

Cars packed as tightly as sardines in middle lane

Cranked it up an extra mile an hour to snail ahead of a couple of cars in middle lane to slot in which felt like an eternity with the blue lights burning my retina's, was probably a minute

Could you appeal if done for speeding in this scenario?

Fortunately the car in front of me in outside lane didn't have to deal with this problem as they flicked off the lights and pulled into the services just after they rocket shipped past me!
Maintain speed, indicate left and wait. It’s not your responsibility to put yourself at risk of getting nicked because of a plod car wanting to get somewhere.

Zarco

17,895 posts

210 months

Sunday 18th February
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SlimJim16v said:
Speed up, then slow down to reduce your average.
This. Piece of piss.

GasEngineer

953 posts

63 months

Sunday 18th February
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Patio said:
Fortunately the car in front of me in outside lane didn't have to deal with this problem as they flicked off the lights and pulled into the services just after they rocket shipped past me!
Maybe it was Phil and Nige who had just had a call to say their breakfast was ready.

Riley Blue

20,984 posts

227 months

Sunday 18th February
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Zarco said:
SlimJim16v said:
Speed up, then slow down to reduce your average.
This. Piece of piss.
Obvious really I'd have thought.

cashmax

1,106 posts

241 months

Sunday 18th February
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Riley Blue said:
Zarco said:
SlimJim16v said:
Speed up, then slow down to reduce your average.
This. Piece of piss.
Obvious really I'd have thought.
So obvious it really makes me wonder about some people's competence to drive TBH. The OP opted to hold up a potential blue light emergency for a minute, rather than take this simple action.

GasEngineer

953 posts

63 months

Sunday 18th February
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cashmax said:
Riley Blue said:
Zarco said:
SlimJim16v said:
Speed up, then slow down to reduce your average.
This. Piece of piss.
Obvious really I'd have thought.
So obvious it really makes me wonder about some people's competence to drive TBH. The OP opted to hold up a potential blue light emergency for a minute, rather than take this simple action.
Interesting. Is it not the case that the individual cameras act as standalone cameras as well as calculating the average speed? Precisely to stop drivers speeding up / slowing down in this way.

CLK-GTR

708 posts

246 months

Sunday 18th February
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SlimJim16v said:
Speed up, then slow down to reduce your average.
Only works if you know where the next camera is, or you risk getting caught out.

Sit at the limit until you can move out of the way. If they want to install cameras with zero flexibility then you can't drive with any either.

LosingGrip

7,822 posts

160 months

Sunday 18th February
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Sheepshanks said:
I’d have hoped you could successfully claim you were obeying an instruction from a police officer - same as being told to go through a red light.
That's a direct instruction. No police officer should tell you to speed up.

FWIW I wouldn't speed up if I was the OP. Signal so they know I've seen them and pull over when I can.

I'd also not expect anyone to speed up to let me pass when I'm on a blue light run. If they do that's down to them.