Distance purchase, V5 received before arrival
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I've a quick question on distance purchasing...
I've bought a bike at the other end of the country from me. It's a used bike from a reputable dealer. All Comms have been by WhatsApp or phone and payments over the phone. It'll be the first time I've engaged in a distance sale so some slight anxiety over condition has made me question if I'd do it again etc.
V5 for the bike has turned up at my house 5 days before it's due to be delivered. Is that usual in a distance sale? If I was to send it back due to something not being disclosed, then surely the dealer has jumped the gun in transferring ownership before the 14 day cancellation period is up? I wasn't expecting that to happen until it had least been inspected on arrival.
I've bought a bike at the other end of the country from me. It's a used bike from a reputable dealer. All Comms have been by WhatsApp or phone and payments over the phone. It'll be the first time I've engaged in a distance sale so some slight anxiety over condition has made me question if I'd do it again etc.
V5 for the bike has turned up at my house 5 days before it's due to be delivered. Is that usual in a distance sale? If I was to send it back due to something not being disclosed, then surely the dealer has jumped the gun in transferring ownership before the 14 day cancellation period is up? I wasn't expecting that to happen until it had least been inspected on arrival.
I paid the balance last week, it's actually taken almost a month to delivery due to servicing, MOT, Easter and sorting delivery etc. whilst I understand it's my responsibility once it arrives, if it turns up on the truck and it's not what I expected, it'll be going back. Putting another owner on the database before that's concluded seems a bit premature.
Sheepshanks said:
How does that work with road tax these days?
When I bought a VW under distance sale regs, the dealer set out how all those things worked, including how many "free miles" I could do and what happened if I'd done more before sending it back under distance selling. I have no idea if it was strictly within the law, but it all seemed quite reasonable. I must see if I still have that in the car file. I probably do!Sheepshanks said:
HTP99 said:
Distance sales, we don't acrion the change of keeper until 14 days after the car has been delivered or picked up, precisely due to if the purchaser decides, within the 14 days, they don't want it.
How does that work with road tax these days?HTP99 said:
Distance sales, we don't acrion the change of keeper until 14 days after the car has been delivered or picked up, precisely due to if the purchaser decides, within the 14 days, they don't want it.
I'm surprised this is even legal.If the new owner is involved in an accident or incurs a speeding ticket (for example), you are still the registered keeper.
I'm a serial car changer and I've never heard of a dealer doing this.
HTP99 said:
Sheepshanks said:
HTP99 said:
Distance sales, we don't acrion the change of keeper until 14 days after the car has been delivered or picked up, precisely due to if the purchaser decides, within the 14 days, they don't want it.
How does that work with road tax these days?Any remaining tax is refunded on transfer.
E-bmw said:
HTP99 said:
Sheepshanks said:
HTP99 said:
Distance sales, we don't acrion the change of keeper until 14 days after the car has been delivered or picked up, precisely due to if the purchaser decides, within the 14 days, they don't want it.
How does that work with road tax these days?Any remaining tax is refunded on transfer.
Sheepshanks said:
E-bmw said:
HTP99 said:
Sheepshanks said:
HTP99 said:
Distance sales, we don't acrion the change of keeper until 14 days after the car has been delivered or picked up, precisely due to if the purchaser decides, within the 14 days, they don't want it.
How does that work with road tax these days?Any remaining tax is refunded on transfer.
HTP99 said:
Yep this is correct, the reference number on the full V5C is 11 digits, on the V5C/2 it is 12 digits, hence why when it is taxed using the V5C/2, when the keeper change is actioned the tax remains on the car.
As said, I didn't know this was possible - makes me wonder if the dealer who my wife got her ex"management" Skoda from messed up as they'd taxed the car and put themselves as RK so it had 2 "owners" instead of 1. The salesman didn't know and we got 2 grand off it when they realised (they offered to take it back).832ark said:
You say you paid the balance? That was the moment the ownership transferred, the V5C is irrelevant and has nothing to do with ownership.
Yeah I see your point but I haven't received it yet and if I was to reject it, then the bike will then show 2 keepers rather than just the one. You can be the owner but not the registered keeper. I would have thought that the V5 would have travelled with the bike and at the point of taking it then I would have been given the green slip and the v5 could have been sent off for the change of keeper. Edited by Chicken Chaser on Sunday 7th April 23:27
Chicken Chaser said:
Yeah I see your point but I haven't received it yet and if I was to reject it, then the bike will then show 2 keepers rather than just the one. You can be the owner but not the registered keeper. I would have thought that the V5 would have travelled with the bike and at the point of taking it then I would have been given the green slip and the v5 could have been sent off for the change of keeper.
That's just a risk that the selling dealer is taking. I doubt much sending off of slips happens these days as it's easily done online.Edited by Chicken Chaser on Sunday 7th April 23:27
HTP99 said:
Yep this is correct, the reference number on the full V5C is 11 digits, on the V5C/2 it is 12 digits, hence why when it is taxed using the V5C/2, when the keeper change is actioned the tax remains on the car.
That's not correct. Once the keeper change is actioned, the tax is null and void. Any complete months are refunded to the previous RK and the in-month tax is lost. Also you have to tax it for the whole of the month you are in so DVLA get 2 month's tax for the month it is sold in. You can get round this by doing the change of keeper at the end of the month, but it's definitely a clever money making scheme!BertBert said:
HTP99 said:
Yep this is correct, the reference number on the full V5C is 11 digits, on the V5C/2 it is 12 digits, hence why when it is taxed using the V5C/2, when the keeper change is actioned the tax remains on the car.
That's not correct. Once the keeper change is actioned, the tax is null and void. Any complete months are refunded to the previous RK and the in-month tax is lost. Also you have to tax it for the whole of the month you are in so DVLA get 2 month's tax for the month it is sold in. You can get round this by doing the change of keeper at the end of the month, but it's definitely a clever money making scheme!, I take it that you're not aware that HTP99 actually works for a main dealer so I suspect he knows how to do his job.
lancslad58 said:
BertBert said:
HTP99 said:
Yep this is correct, the reference number on the full V5C is 11 digits, on the V5C/2 it is 12 digits, hence why when it is taxed using the V5C/2, when the keeper change is actioned the tax remains on the car.
That's not correct. Once the keeper change is actioned, the tax is null and void. Any complete months are refunded to the previous RK and the in-month tax is lost. Also you have to tax it for the whole of the month you are in so DVLA get 2 month's tax for the month it is sold in. You can get round this by doing the change of keeper at the end of the month, but it's definitely a clever money making scheme!, I take it that you're not aware that HTP99 actually works for a main dealer so I suspect he knows how to do his job.
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