Should Parking on Pavement be Illegal?
Discussion
Killer2005 said:
Ban.
This is the main road through our village. It's wide enough but it's a bus route and once you get people parked on both sides it gets narrowed.
Every one of these cars, with exception of the fiesta, has off street parking available but it's easier to park on the pavement.
But in your picture, there's clearly enough room on the pavement for even buggies/wheelchairs etc with space to spare I'd say. So what's the issue? Doesn't look like the pavements get particularly crowded. So what's the need for a ban? This is the main road through our village. It's wide enough but it's a bus route and once you get people parked on both sides it gets narrowed.
Every one of these cars, with exception of the fiesta, has off street parking available but it's easier to park on the pavement.
I only ask as that looks very similar to where my Mum lives and there you HAVE to park on the pavement (there are signs up) for exactly the reason you say, it's a bus route and a narrow road where cars in the road would block it (narrower than yours I'd say). The pavement is massive though so there's more than enough room. Not all houses have drives but some do, banning parking on the pavement wouldn't magically make all the cars disappear. So a blanket ban simply doesn't work.
otolith said:
That isn't everyone else's problem.
As predicted an "I'm alright Jack" attitudeIt certainly may become everyone else's problem though if you effectively cut off the means of transport to vast swathes of the country who are unable to afford or live in an area with off street parking, namely blocks of flats, terraces etc without alternative means of travel. However for the powerfully built PH captains of industry this would never be an issue
pavarotti1980 said:
As predicted an "I'm alright Jack" attitude
It certainly may become everyone else's problem though if you effectively cut off the means of transport to vast swathes of the country who are unable to afford or live in an area with off street parking, namely blocks of flats, terraces etc without alternative means of travel. However for the powerfully built PH captains of industry this would never be an issue
why are you confusing on street parking with pavement parking?It certainly may become everyone else's problem though if you effectively cut off the means of transport to vast swathes of the country who are unable to afford or live in an area with off street parking, namely blocks of flats, terraces etc without alternative means of travel. However for the powerfully built PH captains of industry this would never be an issue
As long as it isn't causing an obstruction / damage I'm fine with it. Plus I like having the option to park my motorbike on the pavement.
My pet peeve is people on my estate parking with two wheels on the grass turning it into mud, even though it is wide enough to park fully on the road
My pet peeve is people on my estate parking with two wheels on the grass turning it into mud, even though it is wide enough to park fully on the road
pavarotti1980 said:
otolith said:
That isn't everyone else's problem.
As predicted an "I'm alright Jack" attitudeIt certainly may become everyone else's problem though if you effectively cut off the means of transport to vast swathes of the country who are unable to afford or live in an area with off street parking, namely blocks of flats, terraces etc without alternative means of travel. However for the powerfully built PH captains of industry this would never be an issue
Simpo Two said:
bad company said:
I think parking on pavements is illegal in London but not elsewhere. It’s a bit of a bug bear of mine particularly in the village where I lived until recently.
I can’t see how it’s fair to force wheelchair users and young children into the road.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czrxdzymwjro
Or the cars don't park on the pavement and block the road instead. Think of all those emergency vehicles needing access.I can’t see how it’s fair to force wheelchair users and young children into the road.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czrxdzymwjro
And children are small, they can sneak through the gap...
Agree about prams and wheelchairs, but there's not enough space for everyone so we'll have to muddle along.
pavarotti1980 said:
I'm not
You are, you are claiming those who cannot afford off street parking - aka private parking spaces, drives and garages - means that we should accept them taking over pavements which are meant for pedestrians.The question is not banning on road parking, where road space is given over to parking private vehicles.
However owning a car is not a right, it is something you must be able to afford (insurance, VED, fuel, maintenance) as well as pass a test to do.
So even trying to draw a parallel between banning pavement parking and removing a right for poor people is a false one too.
ukbabz said:
You are, you are claiming those who cannot afford off street parking - aka private parking spaces, drives and garages - means that we should accept them taking over pavements which are meant for pedestrians.
The question is not banning on road parking, where road space is given over to parking private vehicles.
However owning a car is not a right, it is something you must be able to afford (insurance, VED, fuel, maintenance) as well as pass a test to do.
So even trying to draw a parallel between banning pavement parking and removing a right for poor people is a false one too.
I'm not claiming that. Careful with vertigo from that soapboxThe question is not banning on road parking, where road space is given over to parking private vehicles.
However owning a car is not a right, it is something you must be able to afford (insurance, VED, fuel, maintenance) as well as pass a test to do.
So even trying to draw a parallel between banning pavement parking and removing a right for poor people is a false one too.
budgie smuggler said:
In those cases where there is no alternative, a bay can be drawn half in the road, half on the pavement.
eta - like this
I find that sort of solution very dishonest.eta - like this
Painting a parking space on pavements encourages drivers to think it’s appropriate to park on footways in other places where they shouldn’t.
If the council have decided it’s a parking space rather than a footway, then make it actually part of the roadway. Remove the kerb, lower the level of the space needed, put a new kerb in where the footway actually ends.
Bouncing up and down kerbs is no good for the kerbs nor the wheels of the vehicles. It increases the risk of conflict between drivers and pedestrians - about 40 people a year are killed in the UK by drivers driving on pavements and at least some of these will be while trying to park.
pavarotti1980 said:
otolith said:
That isn't everyone else's problem.
As predicted an "I'm alright Jack" attitudeIt certainly may become everyone else's problem though if you effectively cut off the means of transport to vast swathes of the country who are unable to afford or live in an area with off street parking, namely blocks of flats, terraces etc without alternative means of travel. However for the powerfully built PH captains of industry this would never be an issue
Zigster said:
budgie smuggler said:
In those cases where there is no alternative, a bay can be drawn half in the road, half on the pavement.
eta - like this
I find that sort of solution very dishonest.eta - like this
Painting a parking space on pavements encourages drivers to think it’s appropriate to park on footways in other places where they shouldn’t.
If the council have decided it’s a parking space rather than a footway, then make it actually part of the roadway. Remove the kerb, lower the level of the space needed, put a new kerb in where the footway actually ends.
Bouncing up and down kerbs is no good for the kerbs nor the wheels of the vehicles. It increases the risk of conflict between drivers and pedestrians - about 40 people a year are killed in the UK by drivers driving on pavements and at least some of these will be while trying to park.
I think most people are pretty tolerant if each house on a street has one or two cars.
But with people letting rooms out it can sometimes be the case that a 3 bed terrace has 4 cars parked by the occupants.
The other issue is selfishness. A chap I knew had never less than 3 and sometimes 5 cars parked on the street.
He then, in a case of total lack of self awareness, got his knickers in a twist when they started a parking permit system in his street!
I agree with the garages comments above;
Filling your garage with crap & then parking on the street is moronic, but then even new builds have garages that barely fit a supermini.
But with people letting rooms out it can sometimes be the case that a 3 bed terrace has 4 cars parked by the occupants.
The other issue is selfishness. A chap I knew had never less than 3 and sometimes 5 cars parked on the street.
He then, in a case of total lack of self awareness, got his knickers in a twist when they started a parking permit system in his street!
I agree with the garages comments above;
Filling your garage with crap & then parking on the street is moronic, but then even new builds have garages that barely fit a supermini.
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